Sergio's Offside, factually definitive or interpretive ?

[levets]

From what i have seen Sergio does look offside, the only question mark i have is that there only seems to be one angle being shown and the still that has been shown shows the moment at which Bernardo is in contact with the ball, if the next frame could be seen showing the moment after the ball has touched Bernardo and Sergio's position then i would like to see that as Sergio was moving away from the goal at the time and the defence looked to be moving back towards there own goal. Can anyone put up the two stills just to put my mind at rest?

He was back onside when he received the ball, therefore he wasn’t ‘seeking to gain an advantage’. Erickson played the ball backwards, it would have reached Agüero anyway, the fact it deflected off Bernardo is unfortunate, as this gave the var officials the opportunity to over rule it... incorrectly in my opinion as Sergio gained no advantage, nor did he ‘seek’ one. Horrible feeling, as the ref didn’t call it, the linesman didn’t call it, no Spurs player appealed for it, infact they sank to their knees, Lloris threw himself back in anguish. We were robbed on a technicality that is very wrong.

 

[117 M34]

I fully agree that one or two or even three single incidents do not warrant cries of conspiracy.

Regarding Son, see below.

Delph's arm does count.
It doesn't count for the attacker as they can't score with it but will do for the defender.

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

An arm does not count
They only count sections of the body you can legally play the ball with

 

[SebastianBlue]

Delph's arm does count.
It doesn't count for the attacker as they can't score with it but will do for the defender.

Fairly sure it doesn’t, as only parts of the body you can play the ball with are permissible.

However, even including it, Son is still *just* off (shoulder).

 

[HarrytheBlue]

Can someone please answer with certainty, before this gets merged?

Although Sergio was in an "offside position", when Eriksen played it back, he was not, and could not be offside, as an opponent played the ball. Given the ball deflected off of Bernardo (he did not play it), and Sergio was (probably) still marginally in an offside position, does the fact it touched Bernardo make him offside ?

With regards to Sergio's final position, am i right in thinking VAR did not show the moment, with the lines superimposed, and just ruled offside?

My understanding of the rule is that Bernardo's touch meant that Sergio (already in an offside position) would be flagged offside. However, if Eriksen's backpass had missed Bernardo, and Sergio had created the goal, the goal would have stood (you can't be offside if the opposition is crap enough to pass the ball back to you). A high level amateur ref I know agrees. However, the handball is a completely different story.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

I fully agree that one or two or even three single incidents do not warrant cries of conspiracy.

Regarding Son, see below.

Aren't there bits of that blue line missing though ? Don't think it's going to stand up in court mate.

 

[Stoned Rose]

An arm does not count
They only count sections of the body you can legally play the ball with

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[levets]

Cherry picking-thinking imo. It's an offside from what is available and clear one for me. Doubt any advanced nuclearnano video technology would change anything in that.

Anything but clear.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Agreed, said the same yesterday.

Just bringing it up at this point to discuss the use of VAR generally now, in light of my previous assertions of the issues with current implementation allowing for manipulation of VAR to suit desired outcomes.

I actually didn’t mind it too much last night. I don’t think it was too intrusive and they looked at 3 things all night in a game of 7 goals. I am personally not a fan as it kills the moment but we are stuck with it now.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

We won last night

Meant exit.