Stadium Expansion (Confirmed)

MaineRoadBlue said:
This is the 3rd time in this thread I have made reference to this point that we are failing to address.

Just how are we going to get young supporters, 8-13 year old, from working class backrounds, back into our football club.

I see absolutely nothing in any proposal to address this issue that sees the average age of a match attending supporter in their 40's, whilst it remains impossible for a child under the age of 14 to enter the stadium as an individual, even if they had the considerable amount of money required to purchase a ticket.

Ask yourself this; How many of the posters on here would heve ever got to watch City as a youngster if it required you to convince your Mum, Dad or some other adult to take you along and a huge amount of money as well.

To put this into perspective and removing inflation from the equation, at the age of 10 I was travelling 6 miles on buses to Maine Road, paying admission money onto the Kippax, buying Chips, a Match Programme and then travelling back home again all within what I used to get as Pocket Money (£2)

Is it only me that can see that we have an issue here?
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Your points are well made. But I don't think this is a specific City issue, or for that matter a football issue. When we were kids we used to do all sorts of things on our own. For the simple reason was it was safer to do so. I used to go with my mates on the Football Bus special from the Ben Brierley so it was a relatively easy commute. Occasionally we used to get the number 80 and walk across Alexandra Park. If my grandson tried to do this at the same age as I did to be honest it would scare me to death. It just isn't the same these days. In short we are where we are unfortunately and we can only hope as we grow as a successful football club it will attract more of the younger end. Maybe the club will come up with some ideas when they expand the family stand to three tiers.
 
mostonbluemark said:
MaineRoadBlue said:
This is the 3rd time in this thread I have made reference to this point that we are failing to address.

Just how are we going to get young supporters, 8-13 year old, from working class backrounds, back into our football club.

I see absolutely nothing in any proposal to address this issue that sees the average age of a match attending supporter in their 40's, whilst it remains impossible for a child under the age of 14 to enter the stadium as an individual, even if they had the considerable amount of money required to purchase a ticket.

Ask yourself this; How many of the posters on here would heve ever got to watch City as a youngster if it required you to convince your Mum, Dad or some other adult to take you along and a huge amount of money as well.

To put this into perspective and removing inflation from the equation, at the age of 10 I was travelling 6 miles on buses to Maine Road, paying admission money onto the Kippax, buying Chips, a Match Programme and then travelling back home again all within what I used to get as Pocket Money (£2)

Is it only me that can see that we have an issue here?
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Your points are well made. But I don't think this is a specific City issue, or for that matter a football issue. When we were kids we used to do all sorts of things on our own. For the simple reason was it was safer to do so. I used to go with my mates on the Football Bus special from the Ben Brierley so it was a relatively easy commute. Occasionally we used to get the number 80 and walk across Alexandra Park. If my grandson tried to do this at the same age as I did to be honest it would scare me to death. It just isn't the same these days. In short we are where we are unfortunately and we can only hope as we grow as a successful football club it will attract more of the younger end. Maybe the club will come up with some ideas when they expand the family stand to three tiers.[/quote]

There will be three tiers with empty seats instead of two if they extend the family stand. The family stand should be 2-3,000 seats in one of the corners corner, with the rest of the kids sitting in different parts of the ground (same cost).
 
ManCitizens. said:
mostonbluemark said:
MaineRoadBlue said:
This is the 3rd time in this thread I have made reference to this point that we are failing to address.

Just how are we going to get young supporters, 8-13 year old, from working class backrounds, back into our football club.

I see absolutely nothing in any proposal to address this issue that sees the average age of a match attending supporter in their 40's, whilst it remains impossible for a child under the age of 14 to enter the stadium as an individual, even if they had the considerable amount of money required to purchase a ticket.

Ask yourself this; How many of the posters on here would heve ever got to watch City as a youngster if it required you to convince your Mum, Dad or some other adult to take you along and a huge amount of money as well.

To put this into perspective and removing inflation from the equation, at the age of 10 I was travelling 6 miles on buses to Maine Road, paying admission money onto the Kippax, buying Chips, a Match Programme and then travelling back home again all within what I used to get as Pocket Money (£2)

Is it only me that can see that we have an issue here?
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Your points are well made. But I don't think this is a specific City issue, or for that matter a football issue. When we were kids we used to do all sorts of things on our own. For the simple reason was it was safer to do so. I used to go with my mates on the Football Bus special from the Ben Brierley so it was a relatively easy commute. Occasionally we used to get the number 80 and walk across Alexandra Park. If my grandson tried to do this at the same age as I did to be honest it would scare me to death. It just isn't the same these days. In short we are where we are unfortunately and we can only hope as we grow as a successful football club it will attract more of the younger end. Maybe the club will come up with some ideas when they expand the family stand to three tiers.
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There will be three tiers with empty seats instead of two if they extend the family stand. The family stand should be 2-3,000 seats in one of the corners corner, with the rest of the kids sitting in different parts of the ground (same cost).[/quote]

Well comments like that are really going to help attract young people to the stadium. My personal opinion, for what its worth, is the family stand has been a huge success. You only have to look at the number of kids in there on match days. Granted there is an issue of non attendance at some matches, but that's largely down to night games where school, rightly so, has precedence.
 
mostonbluemark said:
ManCitizens. said:

Your points are well made. But I don't think this is a specific City issue, or for that matter a football issue. When we were kids we used to do all sorts of things on our own. For the simple reason was it was safer to do so. I used to go with my mates on the Football Bus special from the Ben Brierley so it was a relatively easy commute. Occasionally we used to get the number 80 and walk across Alexandra Park. If my grandson tried to do this at the same age as I did to be honest it would scare me to death. It just isn't the same these days. In short we are where we are unfortunately and we can only hope as we grow as a successful football club it will attract more of the younger end. Maybe the club will come up with some ideas when they expand the family stand to three tiers.
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There will be three tiers with empty seats instead of two if they extend the family stand. The family stand should be 2-3,000 seats in one of the corners corner, with the rest of the kids sitting in different parts of the ground (same cost).
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Well comments like that are really going to help attract young people to the stadium. My personal opinion, for what its worth, is the family stand has been a huge success. You only have to look at the number of kids in there on match days. Granted there is an issue of non attendance at some matches, but that's largely down to night games where school, rightly so, has precedence.[/quote]

In my opinion kids can sit in other places other than the family stand, that's why I said ticket prices for kids should be the same in all areas.
 
mostonbluemark said:
MaineRoadBlue said:
This is the 3rd time in this thread I have made reference to this point that we are failing to address.

Just how are we going to get young supporters, 8-13 year old, from working class backrounds, back into our football club.

I see absolutely nothing in any proposal to address this issue that sees the average age of a match attending supporter in their 40's, whilst it remains impossible for a child under the age of 14 to enter the stadium as an individual, even if they had the considerable amount of money required to purchase a ticket.

Ask yourself this; How many of the posters on here would heve ever got to watch City as a youngster if it required you to convince your Mum, Dad or some other adult to take you along and a huge amount of money as well.

To put this into perspective and removing inflation from the equation, at the age of 10 I was travelling 6 miles on buses to Maine Road, paying admission money onto the Kippax, buying Chips, a Match Programme and then travelling back home again all within what I used to get as Pocket Money (£2)

Is it only me that can see that we have an issue here?
Click to expand...

Your points are well made. But I don't think this is a specific City issue, or for that matter a football issue. When we were kids we used to do all sorts of things on our own. For the simple reason was it was safer to do so. I used to go with my mates on the Football Bus special from the Ben Brierley so it was a relatively easy commute. Occasionally we used to get the number 80 and walk across Alexandra Park. If my grandson tried to do this at the same age as I did to be honest it would scare me to death. It just isn't the same these days. In short we are where we are unfortunately and we can only hope as we grow as a successful football club it will attract more of the younger end. Maybe the club will come up with some ideas when they expand the family stand to three tiers.
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I don't believe that it's any more dangerous now for kids on their own, the media hype is just greater - as with many other subjects. When I was 10 the Moors Murderers were still on the loose in the Manchester area but kids still went out on their own. With regard to the policy of not allowing U-14s to attend matches on their own I think the club are just reflecting the fact that it's frowned upon by the authorities to leave an U-14 unsupervised in the house.
 
Why are people questioning how we get kids supporting us?

Don't we have kids tickets for £120? Other than that though, a lot of kids will want to support a team winning things. Nothing breeds support like success. We have a gap as united dominated. That's not the case anymore. It doesn't change overnight though. I'd guess that's far more of a factor than ticket prices.
 
johnmc said:
Why are people questioning how we get kids supporting us?

Don't we have kids tickets for £120? Other than that though, a lot of kids will want to support a team winning things. Nothing breeds support like success. We have a gap as united dominated. That's not the case anymore. It doesn't change overnight though. I'd guess that's far more of a factor than ticket prices.
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Because people like you don't appear to understand that a child of 10, even if he could afford or had access to £120, is not allowed to enter the ground by themselves until they are 14.

If they are to come in, then an adult must also buy a Seasoncard at (Lower Tier Family Stand) £450!

Now, just in case it hasn't sunk in, the greater majority of children in East Manchester come from low income homes, of which a good proportion are single parents probably on benefit supported income. In short, the concept of a 10 year old lad convincing his mum/dad to spend £570 so he can watch City for a season is fantasy stuff!

The solution is for the club to offer, a small selection of Pay on the Day seats for 10-14 year olds at £5 a game. The area could be chaperoned by CITC staff and it would offer our club back to the people who now occupy the very soil from which it grew.

£5 a game is sustainable, as it was only 2-3 years ago children in the family stand, who are fortunate enough to have parents who want to attend and can afford to do so actually paid across 19 games for their children's Seasoncards which were £95.
 
The images of the proposed extension for our stadium look spot on, according to the report in the MEN the other day it suggests capacity will be up towards 61'500 and a seat price in the new area of around £299 which is a very good price.

Just wondering of the new area will have a family area for children? - does anyone know this
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I wonder if once it's completed, and the third biggest football ground in England behind Wembley and old trafford, whether Perry Groves will still think we're a "medium sized club"? Someone should be sure to ask him.
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what a stupid question

we were always and always will be, a small club
 
Is there a stipulation on the capacity stadium for a UEFA Champions League Final? Just wondering if we do both stands together and a new 61,500 stadium is ready for season 2015/2016 whether we would then look at hosting a Champions League Final in the not too distant future?
 
flipmode said:
Is there a stipulation on the capacity stadium for a UEFA Champions League Final? Just wondering if we do both stands together and a new 61,500 stadium is ready for season 2015/2016 whether we would then look at hosting a Champions League Final in the not too distant future?
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Only 30,000 according to this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wikistadiums.org/uefa-elite-stadiums" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wikistadiums.org/uefa-elite-stadiums</a>

UEFA Elite 5 Star Stadium Ratings
UEFA European Elite Stadium Categories

UEFA Elite Stadiums such as Old Trafford Manchester or Camp Nou Barcelona must be all-seated and have a minimum capacity of 30,000 with at least 22,500 seats under cover, the playing surface must be 105 metres x 68 metres in width and entirely fence-free. Other requirements are in regard to the number of TV Studios, size of dressing room and CCTV inside and outside of the stadium.
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
flipmode said:
Is there a stipulation on the capacity stadium for a UEFA Champions League Final? Just wondering if we do both stands together and a new 61,500 stadium is ready for season 2015/2016 whether we would then look at hosting a Champions League Final in the not too distant future?
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Only 30,000 according to this:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.wikistadiums.org/uefa-elite-stadiums" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.wikistadiums.org/uefa-elite-stadiums</a>

UEFA Elite 5 Star Stadium Ratings
UEFA European Elite Stadium Categories

UEFA Elite Stadiums such as Old Trafford Manchester or Camp Nou Barcelona must be all-seated and have a minimum capacity of 30,000 with at least 22,500 seats under cover, the playing surface must be 105 metres x 68 metres in width and entirely fence-free. Other requirements are in regard to the number of TV Studios, size of dressing room and CCTV inside and outside of the stadium.
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makes me laugh that the 'toilet' is an elite stadium
the concourse is far too narrow and the seats in front scrape your knees
 
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