The Labour Government

metalblue said:
TBF average salaries in manchester are £36.6k, two earners that’s £73.2k on average. So £80k is not far off “normal”. Assuming he meant household income rather than individuals, in fact an individual earning £80k would take home less than 2 people earning the average wage of £36.6k (by £250 a month).
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No one said anything about couples tbf and average wage numbers need a large pinch of salt. They are artificially high due to big earners. A quick glance at job sites proves this point I feel.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Deary me. I didn't say it was "normal", i gave you the stats to show it's not uncommon. As I said, 12% of the population earn more than £80k per year as of 2022, and it's therefore higher than that today. £80k is not so much these days. I know plumbers who probably make near that amount. The last plumber who came to my house and did a totally shit job btw - drove an Aston Martin!

And a large number of people own a house worth £500k+.

These financial figures are not "opinions" they are facts.
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10 million people you said, you're a trier i will give you that.
 
Chippy_boy said:
It pisses me off enough that the UK, which accounts for 2% of global CO2 emmissions, should be hell bent on ludicrous net zero targets which will make absolutely FUCK ALL difference to climate change. And then I find that we are giving several billion of our own money to other countries, to help them with their own cimate change initiatives???!?!

Tough choices? Yeah right.
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you just said in the previous sentence that it will make 2% difference, so which is it?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Deary me. I didn't say it was "normal", i gave you the stats to show it's not uncommon. As I said, 12% of the population earn more than £80k per year as of 2022, and it's therefore higher than that today. £80k is not so much these days. I know plumbers who probably make near that amount. The last plumber who came to my house and did a totally shit job btw - drove an Aston Martin!

And a large number of people own a house worth £500k+.

These financial figures are not "opinions" they are facts.
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The going rate for skilled workers is more lucrative now than anytime I can remember. My mates lad is a joiner and earns £25 an hour from the company he works for, a grand a week, my last job in 2012 before I went self employed earned me £40k per year plus car for running a £15m a year business (installing Epos and Data systems in Betting Shops and Building Societies). I'd worked very hard to get to that position often doing 50 plus hours per week. A lad I know is a bricklayer, he charges £300 for a 7 hour day and his "hod carrier" is on £170 a day so you're correct there's many more workers earning near the £80k mark than just a few years ago.

I've been retired for two years now and the way the cost of living is going I may have to get a part time job as only a small part of my pension increased annually and at only 3%. It's an old scheme managed by Aviva.

I'm also a few months of the State pension so I've burned through a few quid in the last two years, this was budgeted for when I retired but straight away because Mrs H is already receiving her state pension we've lost the WFA, we can cope but how much worse is the economy going to get and I wonder how two tier Keir will raise the funds without taxing the working class to the hilt.
 
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