The Labour Government

blueinsa said:
WTF?

Is she starting a black KKK next?
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I find it bizarre that advocates for critical race theory, the belief that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings, but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour, should feel comfortable referring to themselves as the chosen one, of the first ones.

Isn't she just replacing one social construct, the one with people of colour at the bottom, with another, where, as the chosen ones, of the first ones, people of colour are at the top?

And what about all those bigoted white oppressors she's supposed to represent? What are they? The untermenschen?

The fact she decided to enlighten us all through the medium of African cosplay was a nice touch.
 
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mosssideblue said:
Wasn’t it 35% they wanted?, don’t recall them getting this.

Here nor there really as the cost to the country of continuing strikes was much worse and something the Tories should hang their heads in shame allowing to continue
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Unless of course you happen to believe that they are pretty well paid in the first place and their pay demands were ludicrous. Considering during their careers they end up earning sums the vast majority of us could only dream about? Just a thought.

Perhaps we should pay bin men £100k a year if they all strike and demand £100k a year. Or not perhaps? Then after 1 year of strikes when Labour don't pay it, we can all say "Labour should hang their heads in shame allowing this to continue"? Do you think?
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Unless of course you happen to believe that they are pretty well paid in the first place, and considering during their careers they end up earning sums the vast majority of us could only dream about? Just a thought.

Perhaps we should pay bin men £100k a year if they all strike and demand £100k a year. Or not perhaps? Then after 1 year of strikes when Labour don't pay it, we can all say "Labour should hang their heads in shame allowing this to continue"? Do you think?
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How much do bin men get now?
 
Chippy_boy said:
Unless of course you happen to believe that they are pretty well paid in the first place and their pay demands were ludicrous. Considering during their careers they end up earning sums the vast majority of us could only dream about? Just a thought.

Perhaps we should pay bin men £100k a year if they all strike and demand £100k a year. Or not perhaps? Then after 1 year of strikes when Labour don't pay it, we can all say "Labour should hang their heads in shame allowing this to continue"? Do you think?
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Every binman i know works for a private company and doesn't do 70hrs a week.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Powerful argument right there. I give in.
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It does actually make your argument fairly stupid though when most councils have contracted out refuse collection to private companies meaning that bin men don’t get paid directly from the public purse. Not much point the government negotiating with them is there?
 
west didsblue said:
It does actually make your argument fairly stupid though when most councils have contracted out refuse collection to private companies meaning that bin men don’t get paid directly from the public purse. Not much point the government negotiating with them is there?
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I'm sure you're not so incredibly dim to be suggesting that because my straw man mentioned bin men that I mean specifically bin men and only bin men. You cannot be that thick, no-one can.

You are able to engage in conceptual thought, I imagine. Not like trying to explain to Baldrick about some beans and adding some more beans.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Unless of course you happen to believe that they are pretty well paid in the first place and their pay demands were ludicrous. Considering during their careers they end up earning sums the vast majority of us could only dream about? Just a thought.

Perhaps we should pay bin men £100k a year if they all strike and demand £100k a year. Or not perhaps? Then after 1 year of strikes when Labour don't pay it, we can all say "Labour should hang their heads in shame allowing this to continue"? Do you think?
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Doctors hourly rate is less than a plumbers. Just saying .
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm sure you're not so incredibly dim to be suggesting that because my straw man mentioned bin men that I mean specifically bin men and only bin men. You cannot be that thick, no-one can.

You are able to engage in conceptual thought, I imagine. Not like trying to explain to Baldrick about some beans and adding some more beans.
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The fact you used bin men as your example suggests a certain lack of awareness of how things work. Why didn’t you choose workers that are actually paid directly from tax receipts?
Not me who’s being thick.
 
meltonblue said:
I’d argue everyone else is grossly underpaid. Our wage economy and growth over the last fifteen years has been pretty awful.
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You presumably haven't had to pay for a plumber lately ;-)

But more seriously, I agree with you. I hear constantly "we're the richest Xth country in the world and we can afford Y", and honestly we've been going backwards at a rate of knots. GDP per capita - a much better measure than GDP - is continually falling. Compared Sierra Leone, sure we are loaded. Compared to the random western nation? Not so much.

The minor problem with just paying everyone more is that our exports would steadily become more and more uncompetitive, and the value of the pound would likely fall as well, making imports more expensive and driving up still higher prices. A vicious circle. The only way to sustainably higher wages is through increased productivity, and that comes from investment and (sometimes) work ethic, in both of which measures I think we sadly lagging.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You presumably haven't had to pay for a plumber lately ;-)

But more seriously, I agree with you. I hear constantly "we're the richest Xth country in the world and we can afford Y", and honestly we've been going backwards at a rate of knots. GDP per capita - a much better measure than GDP - is continually falling. Compared Sierra Leone, sure we are loaded. Compared to the random western nation? Not so much.

The minor problem with just paying everyone more is that our exports would steadily become more and more uncompetitive, and the value of the pound would likely fall as well, making imports more expensive and driving up still higher prices. A vicious circle. The only way to sustainably higher wages is through increased productivity, and that comes from investment and (sometimes) work ethic, in both of which measures I think we sadly lagging.
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That and sort out the increasing disparity of wealth.
 
Big Joe Corrigan said:
Why are plumbers grossly overpaid, is it a race to the bottom?
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There are some on here that have an opinion and decide some jobs and professions are overpaid yet, when asked, refuse to disclose what they themselves do for a living so others on here can have an opinion on whether THEY are overpaid.

Some probably even voted for Brexit and are now wondering why a shortage of some trades is allowing those trades people they are moaning about to up their hourly rate. But they knew what they were voting for...........
 
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R/W meltdown over the Chagos Islands and Mauritius. Desperate tactic - all the Govt have done is signed off on an agreement already reached with the previous Govt. One of the leadership candidates really angry - guess who?

www.independent.co.uk

James Cleverly condemns Chagos Islands deal - which he initiated

After a barnstorming conference, which catapulted Mr Cleverly to second favourite in the Tory leadership contest, the Chagos Islands news threatens to derail his momentum
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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