The PGMOL Apologies Thread

[Stephen230]

I'd agree that by the standards of 'these days' the rags should have had a penalty. But equally the standards of these days are absolute bullshit. You're asking people with no history of playing the game to judge a 'natural position.' Pause the TV during any defensive action and look at all of the natural positions that the defenders are taking up, and you'll notice arms all over the place. Someone pointing to tell someone else to mark someone. Someone raising their arms because they're jumping or claiming an offside.

What we have now is a system that puts the burden on the defending player to actually put their arms in an unnatural position, to avoid being hit. What the original intention of the rule clearly was though, was to avoid having players deliberately standing with their arms outstretched in order to make themselves bigger. That would be a far better guideline. If the player didn't deliberately handle the ball, did they deliberately position themselves to make themselves bigger using their arms? Or did they just have their arms out because they were doing something you'd expect a defender to do?

It’s a minefield that you could have perfectly reasonable people discuss endlessly without ever reaching a consensus.

But I don’t think it’s an unreasonable starting point to suggest a hand being at head height as Grealish’s was is ever a natural position.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Have pigmol apologised to the rags yet

They'll give them Attwell to ref the Arsenal match with Coote on VAR...

 

[danielwood5]

It’s a minefield that you could have perfectly reasonable people discuss endlessly without ever reaching a consensus.

But I don’t think it’s an unreasonable starting point to suggest a hand being at head height as Grealish’s was is ever a natural position.

I think when someone's twisting in the air trying to follow the flight of the ball then that's a perfectly natural place for their arm to be.

 

[TonyM]

Still not a word about the dive in the Liverpool game as far as I'm aware.

Joke of a league.

 

[Bluearmy]

Don’t want to open old wounds but Grealish’s hand was up around head height.

You’ll probably be able to find an exception to anything if you look hard enough but I can’t recall any not given when the ball hits their hand up above shoulder height these days.

Of course it was. He was jumping. Thats what every player does when they jump. The only unnatural position for the arms to be in football when any movement is happening, is flat by your sides.

Ludicrous its got to this…. Idiots at IFAB/PGMOL are to blame

 

[Bluearmy]

It’s a minefield that you could have perfectly reasonable people discuss endlessly without ever reaching a consensus.

But I don’t think it’s an unreasonable starting point to suggest a hand being at head height as Grealish’s was is ever a natural position.

Its 100% a natural position when jumping. Not having its a minefield either. Its very simple to see if it should be a pen or not in 99.9% of cases.

As Vinny and Smalling demonstrate below, no one jumps high without their arms going above their head…

 

[Stephen230]

Of course it was. He was jumping. Thats what every player does when they jump. The only unnatural position for the arms to be in football when any movement is happening, is flat by your sides.

Ludicrous its got to this…. Idiots at IFAB/PGMOL are to blame

Of course it was. He was jumping. Thats what every player does when they jump. The only unnatural position for the arms to be in football when any movement is happening, is flat by your sides.

Ludicrous its got to this…. Idiots at IFAB/PGMOL are to blame

You seem to be arguing something completely different to the post you were replying to.

I didn’t offer an opinion on what is and isn’t a natural position in that post.

Just stating a fact that ( virtually) all cases of the ball touching a defending players hand, while it’s above shoulder height, have resulted in a penalty for several years.

 

[Bluearmy]

Martinez - and I thought it was a definte penalty. Don't think he touched the ball.

Its a clear pen. As was the rags with the current rules!! 1 all

 

[Stephen230]

Its 100% a natural position when jumping. Not having its a minefield either. Its very simple to see if it should be a pen or not in 99.9% of cases.

As Vinny and Smalling demonstrate below, no one jumps high without their arms going above their head…

It’s a starting point that the law makers have decided upon. It’s not my opinion of what is or isn’t natural.

Kompany and Smalling now know that if someone jumps like that, they’re going to get penalised if the ball accidentally hits their hand.

You might not like it, but it’s the way it is now.

 

[Bluearmy]

You seem to be arguing something completely different to the post you were replying to.

I didn’t offer an opinion on what is and isn’t a natural position in that post.

Just stating a fact that ( virtually) all cases of the ball touching a defending players hand, while it’s above shoulder height, have resulted in a penalty for several years.

No, I wasnt. You said and i quote “Grealish’s hand was up around head height”

Implying it should be a penalty. I was demonstrating that's what players do when they jump high (100% natural position to have your arms raised)and it should not automatically be a pen, as in Grealish’s case he jumped and while not even looking at the ball, it was played against his hand/arm with no intent.

Its yet another example of the law makers not having a clue and as fans we should not be complicit in this lunacy!!

 

[Bluearmy]

It’s a starting point that the law makers have decided upon. It’s not my opinion of what is or isn’t natural.

Kompany and Smalling now know that if someone jumps like that, they’re going to get penalised if the ball accidentally hits their hand.

You might not like it, but it’s the way it is now.

It shouldnt be. Thats the point. Its a joke and making the game a laughing stock

 

[Stephen230]

No, I wasnt. You said and i quote “Grealish’s hand was up around head height”

Implying it should be a penalty. I was demonstrating that's what players do when they jump high (100% natural position to have your arms raised)and it should not automatically be a pen, as in Grealish’s case he jumped and while not even looking at the ball, it was played against his hand/arm with no intent.

Its yet another example of the law makers not having a clue and as fans we should not be complicit in this lunacy!!

I’m not being complicit. I very rarely give my own opinion on here on what I would like the law to be. Because it’s pretty pointless.

If the ball hits a player on the hand above shoulder height, then yes it is a penalty, virtually every single time. That is fact. It explicitly says it is in the laws of the game.

That’s all I was commenting on, in reply to whoever it was who originally said it was a poor decision.

I’m not saying we can’t talk about how wrong we think the laws are. Or move for them to be charged. But nothing is going to change the fact that at this moment in time the Grealish incident was a handball every time and the easiest decision a VAR will have had last season, once he’d established the ball had touched his hand.

 

[Ric]

Just stating a fact that ( virtually) all cases of the ball touching a defending players hand, while it’s above shoulder height, have resulted in a penalty for several years.

Probably contradicts what I’ve just said in another thread, but I genuinely don’t believe the Grealish decision would’ve been given if it had happened at the other end.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Probably contradicts what I’ve just said in another thread, but I genuinely don’t believe the Grealish decision would’ve been given if it had happened at the other end.

I always knew you'd eventually be a convert to the game being bent crew.

 

[blue moony]

Probably contradicts what I’ve just said in another thread, but I genuinely don’t believe the Grealish decision would’ve been given if it had happened at the other end.

Is the correct answer ...

Just like the Fred.block on de Bruyne for the non penalty would of been 100 per cent given for United

No arguments

 

[Ric]

I always knew you'd eventually be a convert to the game being bent crew.

I’m covering all bases here ;)

Referees/Officials Thread - 2023/24

Stuff comes out like this every now and then,remember mark Halsey and him being told to change a match report i think it was,the media cover these but they quickly disappear as much as they pop up,and yet no real outrage from the media,I wonder why .. Halsey was pretty much silenced, and the...

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[Rammy Blue]

I’m covering all bases here ;)

Referees/Officials Thread - 2023/24

Stuff comes out like this every now and then,remember mark Halsey and him being told to change a match report i think it was,the media cover these but they quickly disappear as much as they pop up,and yet no real outrage from the media,I wonder why .. Halsey was pretty much silenced, and the...

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

Already seen that post, the first sentence gave your true feelings away though!

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Taking the piss.

 

[Stephen230]

Probably contradicts what I’ve just said in another thread, but I genuinely don’t believe the Grealish decision would’ve been given if it had happened at the other end.

Can you recall any incidents over the last few years involving any team where the ball has hit a players hand above the shoulder and a penalty not been given?

It’s a genuine question. I’m sure it must have happened somewhere. But I honestly can’t recall seeing one.

 

[Cambo]

Still not a word about the dive in the Liverpool game as far as I'm aware.

Joke of a league.

Was an appalling decision. Should have been yellow card for diving. Clear and obvious error by the Ref awarding the penalty.