The Sack Mancini because of CL failure at City undermined

[NipHolmes]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Let's see the "Mancini Out 5" (or is it 4 since Nip's duplicity was revealed?) debunk that.

hahaha.

Read up mate ;)

We have a 6 man tent.

United shouldn't be the barometer and this is why I rate others higher than Ferguson. He is a domestic kingpin but not all that on the grand stage of Europe.

Fact of matter is and people can dress up how they want, losing to Real or BVB isn't a tragedy. Gaining a point v Ajax in 2 legs is.

If Mancini was new to Europe it'd be fair enough but his time at Inter was the same.

Anyway, lets all just wait and see how the season ends. If Mancini gets us playing well and wins the F.A Cup then he deserves to stay, if we continue struggling in form and end up potless then what will be will be.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Post of the thread.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Post of the thread.

We should be focussing on ourselves and our under performances in europe not look at united who tbf have won the competition and been in two finals in the past five or six years.

 

[samharris]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Grumpy popcorn cat says yes.

 

[adr2.8i]

I'm probably gonna get ripped the pi$$ out of here for saying this, but maybe, just maybe, the premier league isnt as good as we all think. Yes its a great league for thrills and spills and desire and excitement and passion dont get me wrong, but standard wise, and technical and tactical awareness wise maybe its lacking a bit compared to other countries in europe? Maybe us and united arent as good as we really think??

I think even though we have a great club structure, great fans, great players and an almost great manager, i just think the things we lack in europe are experience and "big game nous". European players are very clever. Not just technically but very clever in "playing" the ref. If they come under a bit of pressure from oppostion, they get all these silly fouls which take the sting out of the oppostion. Maybe english teams are too nice? I'm positive as the years go by and we gain the knowledge of playing european football season after season, we will progress futher and ultimatley challenge for a european cup.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

Compare and contrast Mancini's record in Europe with Mourinho's, and you have your answer.

Totally agree.

So in essence it doesnt matter that we are shit in Europe because United are shit too.

If Mancini is in charge next season and once again we crash out bottom of our group if United don't do much better then it's fine.

 

[Marvin]

What it means is that you can't write off a manager on the basis of 2 seasons failure in the Champions League, otherwise you'd have to write Ferguson off as well....and that's plainly stupid

 

[adorado30]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Don't really understand the constant comparison to Utd ? If we both crash out of the groups next year, that's going to be fine as they crashed out as well.

And who is to say that we would have finished 1st or 2nd in any other groups the last two years ? Every CL game besides the 2 games vs Villarreal we have been pretty much outplayed and out-coached.

 

[Anonymous]

One big difference between City & United over recent European seasons is a good one for us:

United are getting regularly beaten at home over recent years, whereas for all the "humiliations" and "footballing lessons" that the likes of Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax, etc have supposedly handed-out to us, no-one has actually managed to win at the Etihad.

Looking at 2 of those teams; Madrid won at OT this season; Ajax won at OT last season.

And who have Utd actually managed to beat in the last 2 Champions Leagues ? Otelul Galati, Braga, Galatasaray and CFR Cluj.
Otelul Galati and CFR Cluj ? While we're playing Dortmund, Madrid, Napoli, Bayern, Ajax ?
Surely someone's having a laugh.

All that Utd's record suggests is that if they play an easy team, they win - when they play an average team, they sometimes win - and when they play someone good, they lose. Not really that dissimilar from City, except we keep playing good teams ?

Yet we're told that Utd are proudly continuing the glorious traditoins of the Busby Babes, while we are a laughing stock in Europe ... and Utd will doubtless start as one of the favourites to win the whole thing each year.

Just saying that I don't think we're quite as far behind Utd in our European results as some people are suggesting ?

Don't really understand the constant comparison to Utd ? If we both crash out of the groups next year, that's going to be fine as they crashed out as well.

And who is to say that we would have finished 1st or 2nd in any other groups the last two years ? Every CL game besides the 2 games vs Villarreal we have been pretty much outplayed and out-coached.

I'm surprised it's taken five pages for people to cotton on to just how dumb the argument being put forward in this thread is. It goes like this ... it's ok that Mancini isn't good enough to manage in European competition because neither is Slur Alex ... such a facile argument you'd think it was written by a rag on the wind up!

 

[Blue Heaven]

its hard for us to argue about the toughness of our group because we couldnt beat ajax either

Ajax were champions of Holland. They weren't a lucky-to-be-in-the-comp-relegation-fodder side like Villarreal were. They had some very good midfielders.

Ajax against us featured only 4 players from the title-winning team of last season. Lots of youngsters, though.<br /><br />-- Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:17 pm --<br /><br />

What it means is that you can't write off a manager on the basis of 2 seasons failure in the Champions League, otherwise you'd have to write Ferguson off as well....and that's plainly stupid

United can survive quite nicely without CL success, but we need the CL revenue stream to keep "The Project" on course. Maybe we sold Balo because of the loss of anticipated revenue when we crashed out in last place (approximately 25 million pounds less) instead of reaching the Round of 16.