The worst thing about farcical officiating

I'm not a big follower of international football but remembered this morning a discussion about England's game where they were knocked out of the world cup and he was saying the ref was awful etc.etc. I didn't think he was as bad as the premier League refs. Difference is he's a Liverpool guy... Hmm.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Did he really say VAR couldn't intervene in a subjective decision? They refer subjective decisions back to the referee all the time. If they didn't intervene, it's because they agreed with the decision or, at least, didn't see enough to ask the referee to review it. Nothing else.

These last two matches, City at United and Wolves at Liverpool, have shaken my trust in the management of the sport to the very core. Sounds dramatic, but I am beginning to wonder if, after watching football for over 50 years, there is any point any more. When officials use the "system" to manipulate outcomes, the game has a serious problem.
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Yes. See my later post. I re-watched it and Put the exact quote in. Not sure how to link. Hopefully this works.

Critical thing is VAR was not involved. Atwell overruled the linesman’s decision. There wasn’t any consultation with VAR from what I can gather.

The worst thing about today’s farcical officiating'
https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/...y’s-farcical-officiating.358204/post-15620245
 
I wonder if an automated offside system (like the wc one) would’ve come up with a different decision? I believe it would as VAR would have had no choice than to get involved….maybe this is why we are seeing decisions such as this, to encourage its inception (without protest) it’s what they did with VAR, remember all those decisions pre-var that went against us? Most welcomed VAR with open arms after that
 
Tubes26 said:
Scandalous....

Did anyone notice... In the first half the commentator said about the ref "apparently he wants VAR to stay out of it today." Heard it and i thought what?? Knew something funny would happen...
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I don't think var was working yesterday
All the close offside calls were flag straight away
And why after the offside goal after over ruling the linesman flag you wouldn't go to the screen to see if Rashford impacted any player
 
blue moony said:
Its npt about the coverage so much,

Doesnt matter what stream you watch etc

The rules arw being made up to suit certain teams

Im done
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I’m with you. Stopped reading UK press about 3 years ago. Cancelled my OptusSport subscription this morning.

Won’t make a dent, but already feel better that the “product” is not getting a cent from me. That was cheating and manipulation by the official to engineer an outcome for the Rags. So blatant it’s staggering how many “commentators” still can’t call it as it is.

CityTv the only thing I now have (if I could get the update to work on my Sony TV!).
 
Cambo said:
Just heard Dermott Gallagher say that VAR couldn't intervene as it's not a factual error. It's s subjective decision as to whether Rashford interfered with play and therefore was ofside. So as i thought last night and said in the thread, the Linesman has flagged it offside and the referee has overruled it.

So the ref has overruled the linesman's interpretation that Rashford was offside to make his own interpretation that he was onside.

I was livid last night (watching from Perth, WA) i'm actually worse this morning. That was a truly dreadful decision.
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On what planet is Rashford NOT interfering with play?

How that referee can say with a straight face that he wasn't is truly beyond my comprehension.
 
jacko74 said:
I'm not so sure we will ever become one of the cash cow clubs simply because of the colour of our shirts.

Red is considered a lucky colour throughout much of Asia and people there want to be associated with it, hence why Liverpool and united have such a huge following there.
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I don’t think City are the only club to suffer this. When Arsenal and Chelsea were challenging MUFC for titles they suffered some diabolical decisions. Remember the Howard Webb performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford. See what happens to Arsenal over the next few months.
 
Tubes26 said:
Scandalous....

Did anyone notice... In the first half the commentator said about the ref "apparently he wants VAR to stay out of it today." Heard it and i thought what?? Knew something funny would happen...
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The commentator (Darren Fletcher) was commenting on Howard Webb's apparent quote that he (as Ref supremo) did NOT want VAR getting too involved in the ref's decisions.
Think the offside rule will be changed after this decision - but too late for City !!!
 
We only bitch about refs when we're not getting results, every season we have a bad run (except for maybe the centurions season). It's a blip, it happens, it's shit and we all feel everything is finished. Last season when Spurs beat us at home I thought it was over and Liverpool were gonna win it, I remember Palace beating us at home a few years ago when Andros Thownsend scored that thundercunt volley and I was filled with dread thinking were falling apart. We always seem to struggle with results around December and January and, due to the world cup, in terms of fixtures we are at the beginning of January if this were a normal season. When we beat Arsenal in early January last year with that last minute Rodri goal I remember thinking the result is papering over the cracks because we haven't been playing well. We went on to win the league and were a few minutes away from a champions league final.

Fuck the refs, Pep has proved time and time again that when we're in the shit we come out the other side smelling of roses, and believe me when that happens none of you will give a toss about crappy, incompetent refs because it won't matter.
 
Platt Lane 59 said:
The commentator (Darren Fletcher) was commenting on Howard Webb's apparent quote that he (as Ref supremo) did NOT want VAR getting too involved in the ref's decisions.
Think the offside rule will be changed after this decision - but too late for City !!!
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The rule is clear but was ignored. Rashford shielded the ball and impeded City’s defenders. Without him it was an easy clearance. Touching the ball or not is irrelevant. That’s why offside players can’t obstruct the goalkeeper’s view.
It’s not that complex but Attwell made a crooked decision without checking the monitor.
 
simon23 said:
Every single poster who called me a WUM oz wrong. My opinion might wind people up but I ain't doing it for that reason. ...
Ric asked me to stop but I disagree...what's the point of ANY forum I'd another opinion cannot be heard and just cause it upsets people that opinion gets shut down....
I also said I'm only answering people's posts so others have a responsibility to stop as well.( I'd people took the time to notice I went onto other topics but lots just jump on a bandwagon and have a go at people as they see others doing)
Been going in pubs for over 35 years....never one fight ( surprising when a lot of those pubs are in Stockport and were absolute shit holes!).
Nothing about being a know-it-all...just an opinion but nothing I've seen or heard has changed my mind...watched the goal over and over again. Listened to the likes of SWP and other pros who think it wasn't a goal...but I disagree when I then go back and read the rules..listened to others read the rules as well.
And that's where the problem lies. The rules are vague.. they allow the goal to stand within those rules due to their vaguity when everyone knows it shouldn't stand which I've repeatedly said but people are choosing to miss....which is why my argument is that the goal is legal by the rules but it shouldn't be. I'd expect to see a change in the rules come about from this
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The Offside Rule 1.19.11 as amended clearly states :
When a United or Liverpool player stray into an offside position it will not be deemed to be offside.
Amended 1898: The extent to which they are offside shall be reduced by 5 yards if they are at home and a further 5 yards if playing City.
For the avoidance of doubt any doubt will always be given to United or Liverpool .
 
hammocity said:
The outcry if it occurred at the “wrong” end of the pitch would have ended with an apology to the Rags, simple as.
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If this would have happened at the other end of the pitch we all know that it would have been disallowed.
Equally had it been disallowed yesterday it would have been forgotten by now.
The fallout from yesterday only proves how ridiculous it was.
Attwell is either incompetent, weak, corrupt or a combination of all three.
Either way he isn't fit to referee at this level, he was demoted once for a reason and should never have been allowed back.
 
Looby blue said:
Fuck the refs, Pep has proved time and time again that when we're in the shit we come out the other side smelling of roses, and believe me when that happens none of you will give a toss about crappy, incompetent refs because it won't matter.
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Sorry, not true.

A fair and level playing field, and City SMASH the league. I'm sick of us having to be so much better than everyone else to win. It always make it sweeter when we do, but it doesn't take away my hatred of the bent f*ckers in charge of the game.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
one of the worst decisions in recent memory.

Also I thought surrounding the referee was to be met with a yellow card now? Or did I dream that rule change?
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Unless you captain the rags.
Rat face does this every week and gets away with it.
Seeing him do this and be allowed to get away with it by spineless officials sets an appalling example to kids who think it's OK to abuse match officials at grass roots level.
 
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