The worst thing about farcical officiating

Tubes26 said:
Fantastic post mate.

Also the factor that according to the UN report here

Amount staked legally on sports per year ~$40 billion
Amount staked illegally on sports per year ~ $340 billion - $1.7 trillion
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I was posting about UK top league football and UK bookmakers, how the fuck you two have got to this point is bollocks and fuck all to do with my origin point.
 
argyle said:
I don't expect City to do anything. They think silence is a form of strength (like not making much a fuss of the hacking or the changing of rules around ffp after we had submitted accounts). When it actually is quite meek.
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We are a bit of a willing punchbag. It's hardly viewed as Ghandi's non-violent resistance.
 
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cityfan46 said:
The offside rule changes have done nothing to improve the game. Instead they have made it more unfair to all concerned. Under current rules half a dozen players could be offside but providing they do not touch the ball a seventh player could come through and score. It beggars belief on the stupidity of the games' lawmakers. They need to explain what they are hoping to achieve.
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Drama, talking points and headlines. Also to justify the wages they steal.
 
hammocity said:
30 years experience in the UK gambling industry, I know what goes on, I’ve got an empirical view of it as well as hard data. I doubt you have any evidence other than what you have read.

Go into your local betting shop and try and get £50 on a greyhound running at a track not being televised, you won’t get it on. That’s the very base level of risk liability, the more sophisticated irregularities are met with equal resistance built on years of experience. These are blue chip businesses that manage their risk. Suffice to say I’m sure there’s a small level of corruption at lower levels but that’s a minor level which would involve relatively small sums and if bets were winning consistently it would be flagged and action taken.
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Again, we are talking about completely different things.

And, for reference, I have over 20 years of experience analysing financial data, modelling different forms of financial systems (including with a specific focus on identifying irregular patterns in financial reporting), and building evidence of different types of financial fraud in many different industries.

I also have direct knowledge of manipulation occurring in La Liga, specifically at Barcelona and (unfortunately) Real Zaragoza (though, they are no longer in La Liga).

I have also heard through the grapevine of manipulation in the PL, Championship, and SPL.

And I am not naive enough to believe the UK top flight is some bastion of ethical behaviour and fair competition, completely free of match manipulation for the purposes of maintaining and enhancing the product, in contrast with literally every other football league in the world.
 
Betterdeedthan red said:
One of the worst things is after that shambles I refuse to be interested in anything to do with football today..Misses thinks its great sitting watching digging for Britain together.
Kill me now
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Haven’t watched any of the games today as I hate reality television (I think partially scripted spectacle based entirely around manufacturing drama and controversy for social media engagement and water cooler discussion is the most moronic genre of the performing arts).
 
KingGeorge said:
You know it’s bad when Liverpool fans think we got screwed. I’ve talked two Arsenal fans, two Liverpool fans, and one Real Madrid fan in the last 24 hours and they all think offsides was the right call.
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and substitute the word " amazing " for " bad " to understand the enormity of the fuck up / corruption by the **** in charge !
 
SebastianBlue said:
Again, we are talking about completely different things.

And, for reference, I have over 20 years of experience analysing financial data, modelling different forms of financial systems (including with a specific focus on identifying irregular patterns in financial reporting), and building evidence of different types of financial fraud in many different industries.

I also have direct knowledge of manipulation occurring in La Liga, specifically at Barcelona and (unfortunately) Real Zaragoza (though, they are no longer in La Liga).

I have also heard through the grapevine of manipulation in the PL, Championship, and SPL.

And I am not naive enough to believe the UK top flight is some bastion of ethical behaviour and fair competition, completely free of match manipulation for the purposes of maintaining and enhancing the product, in contrast with literally every other football league in the world.
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I'd be very interested to know what you may have heard. I have my suspicions ;-)

(EDIT: Is it Spurs? I've just seen the OG)
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I'd be very interested to know what you may have heard. I have my suspicions ;-)
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I can’t really share exact details, to avoid creating potential issues for Bluemoon, but I can say that for one instance, an employee of a prominent accounting firm told me that a certain club was effectively caught fabricating revenue and artificially inflating asset valuations to compensate for book losses beyond the pandemic-expanded allowances in one of their recent annual disclosures and it was quietly dealt with, not even suspended punishment was enforced (even though it is outlined in the league’s club management and financial rules), and draconian NDAs were required to be signed by all involved.

From what I understand, if the rules in place for such fabrication were followed, it would have had a material impact on said club’s operations and could have potentially impacted playing staff.
 
SebastianBlue said:
I can’t really share exact details, to avoid creating potential issues for Bluemoon, but I can say that for one instance, an employee of a prominent accounting firm told me that a certain club was effectively caught fabricating revenue and artificially inflating asset valuations to compensate for book losses beyond the pandemic-expanded allowances in one of their recent annual disclosures and it was quietly dealt with, not even suspended punishment was enforced (even though it is outlined in the league’s club management and financial rules), and draconian NDAs were required to be signed by all involved.

From what I understand, if the rules in place for such fabrication were followed, it would have had a material impact on said club’s operations and could have potentially impacted playing staff.
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I totally appreciate you can't say for obvious reasons.

It certainly highlights that corruption in sport doesn't always have to be on the pitch.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
I totally appreciate you can't say for obvious reasons.

It certainly highlights that corruption in sport doesn't always have to be on the pitch.
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The only reason I know is because the person I heard it from is a very close friend and was told by their partner who was involved (and had to sign an NDA). That person is no longer employed by the firm that conducted the independent audit but is still beholden by the NDA, as it was not with the firm, but with a league entity that is apparently specifically used for these types of situations (which is honestly the first I had heard of it).

FWIW, they were apparently especially frustrated with the incident because they were aware of other proceedings with other clubs that had been intentionally leaked during investigations and they saw the handling of this situation as obvious and unfair favouritism (for whatever reason).
 
SebastianBlue said:
The only reason I know is because the person I heard it from is a very close friend and was told by their partner who was involved (and had to sign an NDA). That person is no longer employed by the firm that conducted the independent audit but is still beholden by the NDA, as it was not with the firm, but with a league entity that is apparently specifically used for these types of situations (which is honestly the first I had heard of it).

FWIW, they were apparently especially frustrated with the incident because they were aware of other proceedings with other clubs that had been intentionally leaked during investigations and they saw the handling of this situation as obvious and unfair favouritism (for whatever reason).
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NDA's cover up a multitude of sins. I honestly think there is enough dirt covered by such agreements potentially capable of sinking one of two clubs high profile clubs.
 
How can a player shield a ball from opposing players for vital seconds whilst waiting for his team mate to make up ground to score a goal not be interfering with play ? It beggars belief that anybody with tiniest amount of football knowledge believe that goal was legitimate.
Evan Ragford and the ferret were laughing about the decision in the interview after the game , having been in total control Attwell the decided to hand the Rags a lifeline and they took it , Attwell likes to be popular and pleasing the home crowd , he hasnt got the bottle to officiate the important games, he will always be a lightweight in refereeing terms ,spineless tosser.
 
abu13 said:
Interesting to note that over on the Caf they have a poll and 70% of their fans feel the goal was offside, now given how blinkered they are for that many to vote this way just shows how fucked up the decision was.
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Or how many under cover agents we have ;-)
 
invisibleandalone said:
I'll get right to the point . The game is bent and is being manipulated by the American owned clubs . It's not just this season , it's been quite a few seasons. Brilliance has overcome corruption over the last few years . Why can we never win at Anfield ? it's certainly not tactics or the scoucers outplaying City . Lets be honest united are shit , so how are they only 1 point behind us . It's not just games against us they've been given a helping hand . Notice the silence of the yanks selling up at o.t , that's the benefit of having officials in your pocket and collecting points they would never achieve without favourable officiating. Rags, dippers, spuds,gooners and chelsea all owned by the yanks . Next time that super league comes round, City won't have an invitation because it will be yanks only , along with the bent officials .
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I didn't want City to be a part of the ESL then, and I don't now or at any time in the future.
 
jimmygrimblesboots said:
How can a player shield a ball from opposing players for vital seconds whilst waiting for his team mate to make up ground to score a goal not be interfering with play ? It beggars belief that anybody with tiniest amount of football knowledge believe that goal was legitimate.
Evan Ragford and the ferret were laughing about the decision in the interview after the game , having been in total control Attwell the decided to hand the Rags a lifeline and they took it , Attwell likes to be popular and pleasing the home crowd , he hasnt got the bottle to officiate the important games, he will always be a lightweight in refereeing terms ,spineless tosser.
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I can name someone.....oh...."the tiniest amount of football knowledge"! That rules him out.
 
hammocity said:
I was posting about UK top league football and UK bookmakers, how the fuck you two have got to this point is bollocks and fuck all to do with my origin point.
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We're both still talking about the original point lol. You've invented a conversation all for yourself.

You keep spouting the same bollocks points about "no player would give away a throw-in to make a few bob" when no-one is even claiming this in the first place... It's called a straw man, but if that's what helps you maintain your delusion then go for it...

All you've done is show yourself up as naive and as someone who doesn't actually have a clue what they're talking about.
 
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