This transfer window/Marwood

[BringBackSwales]

We're going round in ever decreasing circles here. Abu Dhabi have decided they aren't spending until certain players have been sold. Simple. People continuing to blame Marwood are in complete denial.

I am not in denial, I am open to new thoughts - can you genuinely tell me what his strengths are and what he brings to the job, what are his key attributes?

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We're going round in ever decreasing circles here. Abu Dhabi have decided they aren't spending until certain players have been sold. Simple. People continuing to blame Marwood are in complete denial.

Are you saying just generally we couldn't spend until we got rid of the likes of say Adebayor or are you suggesting we literally couldn't get Scott Sinclair in until we had sold Adam Johnson? I would find that startling considering last season they bought Aguero for a huge fee without selling Tevez when basically Aguero was a replacement for Tevez.

 

[Pam]

The bigger the failure this window proves to be, the more likely the chances are of having to use the even more ridiculous, inflated, twatfest of a January window. The last time Chavski rested on their laurels one summer, they ended up panic buying Torres for £50 million, which was a vile bit of business leading to laughing stock issues for the rest of that season and beyond.

The Gooner Marwood would be the best transfer imaginable.

 

[ello_jo]

There's only oneeee Gary Cook...

 

[moomba]

My opinion is definitely that buying at the end of a window is generally a false economy. By and large you are going to get players who were not originally at the top of your list and you are going to pay over the odds. I recognise the Sinclair situation is different due to his contractual situation but still, if we had not sold AJ first then we massively had the upper hand in those negotiations. We held all the aces, they were desperate because of his contract and to all intents and purposes we still had a winger so didn't need to buy. As soon as we sold AJ then imo that changed because our need to buy a winger/impact sub became greater.

That will have been the perception at Swansea I reckon and that perception is important. I don't really see how you can deny that tbh although I'm sure you will. I know you think it isn't important whether we have AJ or not and if we had a replacement then of course it wouldn't be important. But it is certainly important that we have a player like AJ (or Sinclair or Walcott etc) in the squad and if you don't think it is then you should tell Mancini because he threw AJ on enough times last season to make me think that he values having a winger on the bench as an option. As I have said, I know it will get sorted, we will probably still get Sinclair, and if we hold our nerve and Swansea don't hold theirs then we might even still get him for 6.2 million but none of that means that selling AJ first was prudent, it would just mean we got away with it, which is something entirely different. And worst case scenario, if we don't get a winger in, I reckon Mancini would go fucking ape shit and Marwood would have some serious quastions to answer as to why he left us exposed like that with days left of the window. More likely though is that we will just get Sinclair but pay a bit more as Swansea recognise that our need is greater than it was a week ago so they fleece us accordingly. All only my opinon obviously.

Our need to buy Sinclair has not become greater IMO. Personally I don't think it would be a huge problem if we didn't replace AJ but if we are going to Sinclair is not the only option in the world. If Swansea think that now that we have sold AJ that we must have Sinclair at any cost they'll soon find out that isn't the case.

I also disagree that buying late in the window means that you have to overpay. If anything I think it's the opposite, particularly in the case of a club that wants to sell as much (probably more) than we want to buy.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Genuine question - How would the critics of Marwood & our transfer policy change things?

Quite clearly I would have signed every player that our rivals (and some non rivals) have signed, while at the same time reducing our squad size, wage bill and exposure to FFP regulations.

I would pay whatever it takes to get world class, young and proven talent to the club, so long as it doesn't cost more than £10m. If selling clubs have a problem with this price I would use negotiating skills to convince them that they are wrong.

I will of course have no say in the selection of any of our targets, unless of course they turn out to be rubbish in which case I will take full responsibility for the selection, recruitment, pay packet and bad haircuts.

Don't be so pathetic, you're better than posting facetious shit like that.

 

[decmancity]

We're going round in ever decreasing circles here. Abu Dhabi have decided they aren't spending until certain players have been sold. Simple. People continuing to blame Marwood are in complete denial.

He can be blamed.

Nothing wrong with needing to sell before buying but why the fuck has Adebayor just left, Santa Cruz still here, Bridge may as well still be here and so on. If Marwood was doing his job properly these players would have gone and Mancini would have time and money to spend.

Instead he has been pissing around trying to get deals done with unrealistic targets it seems like Martinez and only actually managing to bin players a week before the window shuts.

I am sorry but it is clear he is out of his depth with this job.

 

[Pam]

We're going round in ever decreasing circles here. Abu Dhabi have decided they aren't spending until certain players have been sold. Simple. People continuing to blame Marwood are in complete denial.

He can be blamed.

Nothing wrong with needing to sell before buying but why the fuck has Adebayor just left, Santa Cruz still here, Bridge may as well still be here and so on. If Marwood was doing his job properly these players would have gone and Mancini would have time and money to spend.

Instead he has been pissing around trying to get deals done with unrealistic targets it seems like Martinez and only actually managing to bin players a week before the window shuts.

I am sorry but it is clear he is out of his depth with this job.

And wtf is with Gooner Marwood swanning off to the Chumps League draw tomoz?

 

[Lancet Fluke]

My opinion is definitely that buying at the end of a window is generally a false economy. By and large you are going to get players who were not originally at the top of your list and you are going to pay over the odds. I recognise the Sinclair situation is different due to his contractual situation but still, if we had not sold AJ first then we massively had the upper hand in those negotiations. We held all the aces, they were desperate because of his contract and to all intents and purposes we still had a winger so didn't need to buy. As soon as we sold AJ then imo that changed because our need to buy a winger/impact sub became greater.

That will have been the perception at Swansea I reckon and that perception is important. I don't really see how you can deny that tbh although I'm sure you will. I know you think it isn't important whether we have AJ or not and if we had a replacement then of course it wouldn't be important. But it is certainly important that we have a player like AJ (or Sinclair or Walcott etc) in the squad and if you don't think it is then you should tell Mancini because he threw AJ on enough times last season to make me think that he values having a winger on the bench as an option. As I have said, I know it will get sorted, we will probably still get Sinclair, and if we hold our nerve and Swansea don't hold theirs then we might even still get him for 6.2 million but none of that means that selling AJ first was prudent, it would just mean we got away with it, which is something entirely different. And worst case scenario, if we don't get a winger in, I reckon Mancini would go fucking ape shit and Marwood would have some serious quastions to answer as to why he left us exposed like that with days left of the window. More likely though is that we will just get Sinclair but pay a bit more as Swansea recognise that our need is greater than it was a week ago so they fleece us accordingly. All only my opinon obviously.

Our need to buy Sinclair has not become greater IMO. Personally I don't think it would be a huge problem if we didn't replace AJ but if we are going to Sinclair is not the only option in the world. If Swansea think that now that we have sold AJ that we must have Sinclair at any cost they'll soon find out that isn't the case.

I also disagree that buying late in the window means that you have to overpay. If anything I think it's the opposite, particularly in the case of a club that wants to sell as much (probably more) than we want to buy.

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

 

[moomba]

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

I don't think the team needs a first team winger as such, and we have a few that could play that position at a pinch if needed.

But either way, our need to buy Sinclair hasn't increased. He's only the only available winger in the world.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm --<br /><br />

And wtf is with Gooner Marwood swanning off to the Chumps League draw tomoz?

Doing his job maybe.

 

[riley347]

this windows either a case of late signings or it,s been a business abortion......

 

[Pam]

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

I don't think the team needs a first team winger as such, and we have a few that could play that position at a pinch if needed.

But either way, our need to buy Sinclair hasn't increased. He's only the only available winger in the world.

-- Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm --

And wtf is with Gooner Marwood swanning off to the Chumps League draw tomoz?

Doing his job maybe.

Doing his job, eh? And here's me thinking that was supposed to be securing Bob's transfer targets with a little over 48 hours to get it done.

 

[moomba]

And here's me thinking that he's supposed to be securing Bob's transfer targets before 11pm this Friday?

And where do you think a collection of football executives from the biggest clubs in Europe will be in the next day or so.

 

[Pam]

And here's me thinking that he's supposed to be securing Bob's transfer targets before 11pm this Friday?

And where do you think a collection of football executives from the biggest football clubs in Europe will be in the next day or so.

Not in that format, Moomba, and not with so little time remaining. Unless the execs have a gaggle of overpaid legal people in tow, then I don't accept this as a possibility.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

So let's get THIS theory straight too...

The owner, and the chairman (and the rest of the board for that matter) are just watching this happen before their eyes and doing nothing? They read the papers, they hear the news.... "City fail to land players". If they thought he was doing a lousy job, he'd be out.
OR, the more likely scenario is that the owner and the chairman (and the rest of the board) have tasked Marwood with getting the players Mancini wants WITHIN specific financial constraints, and it's those constraints that cause deals to fail (at this moment in time).

Say the Chairman's told him that the wage bill HAS to come down, and he doesn't want any more players on more than 120K a week. Robin Van Persie asks for 150K and Marwood says no. RvP signs for United. How is that Marwood's fault?

Yes, it's possible Marwood is trying to impress folks with his financial prudence but I think it most unlikely that our owners are so clueless they can't see that.

I firmly believe he's been given a task, and he's carrying it out - the result of that is a lack of signings, but again, it's a result of the task, not a result of him.

Personally, I don't think they would sack him during the transfer window, especially not late on in the window. I think we will all know what the owner thinks of the job Marwood has done in this window in the next couple of months. If he is still here for the next transfer window then we can safely assume they are at the very least satisfied with how he has handled this window. If he is no longer here for the January window then there is a fair chance that they have not been impressed.

Your assumption is that if Marwood is not at City, it's because he's sacked.

Not at all, I worded my post very carefully. I said if Marwood stays then we will know that the owners are happy with his performance but if he goes there is a fair chancethey were not. And I worded it like that because I recognise that he may leave for all sorts of reasons. And I have no doubt that if he does leave in a month or so that the apologists will say Marwood left because he wanted to spend more time walking his dog or something similar and the Marwood haters will say he was definitely sacked because he was shit at his job. Personally, I don't really claim to know how good Marwood is at his job but I do have the opinion that for some reason this transfer window has been handled pretty badly by someone at the club for some reason or other. I suspect it may be Marwood but I'm not going to say I know.

 

[Eccles Blue]

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

I don't think the team needs a first team winger as such, and we have a few that could play that position at a pinch if needed.

But either way, our need to buy Sinclair hasn't increased. He's only the only available winger in the world.

-- Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm --

And wtf is with Gooner Marwood swanning off to the Chumps League draw tomoz?

Doing his job maybe.

Doing his job, eh? And here's me thinking that was supposed to be securing Bob's transfer targets before 11pm this Friday?

So you think we are paying Mr Marwood thousands of pounds per year for him to just work during the transfer window?? I am almost certain, but then I could be wrong, that his job description will state a heck of a lot more than one page and one item!!!!

 

[Ducado]

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

I don't think the team needs a first team winger as such, and we have a few that could play that position at a pinch if needed.

But either way, our need to buy Sinclair hasn't increased. He's only the only available winger in the world.

-- Wed Aug 29, 2012 5:11 pm --

And wtf is with Gooner Marwood swanning off to the Chumps League draw tomoz?

Doing his job maybe.

Doing his job, eh? And here's me thinking that was supposed to be securing Bob's transfer targets before 11pm this Friday?

How do you know it's not already been done? But I do know that people have been creating a straw man out of Marwood, when they really don't know what they are talking about, just venting at the lack of signings

 

[moomba]

Not in that format, Moomba, and not with so little time remaining. Unless the execs have a gaggle of overpaid legal people in tow, then I don't accept this as a possibility.

Of course you don't.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

We sell our only first team winger and it doesn't mean that our need to buy a first team winger has increased? Ok, well then I can see why you think there wasn't a problem in selling first. I do think you are completely wrong though.

I don't think the team needs a first team winger as such, and we have a few that could play that position at a pinch if needed.

But either way, our need to buy Sinclair hasn't increased. He's only the only available winger in the world.

But Mancini does think having a winger on the bench is important seeing as he used a winger from the bench so many times last season. I assume you agree with that? And whilst I realise that there are other wingers in the world, us overtly having a greater need for a winger can not be seen as a good thing when trying to negotiate with another club for a winger. I assume you agree with that? We want to sign Sinclair, a winger from another club...

 

[Ray78]

Personally I don't blame Brian Marwood as it is down to if the deal is right. Most of us on here know absolutely nothing about our internal workings of our club and are based on opinions and not solid facts.