UAP/UFO thread - Non-Human Intelligences

SkyBlueFlux said:
Graham Hancock is a conman. Lucky for him, today's society is absolutely brimming with complete chumps who will believe anything if it makes a good enough story.

He has no formal education in archaeology or anthropology, and frankly it's absurdly obvious that he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. Netflix love it though, because nobody is actually going to look up the things he says that are just complete bullshit, they'll watch along and uncritically take everything he says as fact.

If you actually want to learn about the real mysteries of the ancient world and the gaps in our knowledge (of which there are many - the bronze age collapse being the most obvious example), follow somebody who has dedicated their life to studying the subject, not a journalist who has spent his life making up fairy tales. He's not a serious scientist looking for truth, he's the world's most obvious grifter looking to make a quick buck from the kind of people who think Joe Rogan is actually worth listening to.
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He spent many years in South America studying ancient archaeology for his books it’s open to anyone he doesn’t claim to have found aliens or seen spaceships.
 
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From A former navy seal a Green beret.
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We already know the technology he speaks of Ukraine are already upgrading theirs.
 
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Kirkstall Blue said:
He spent many years in South America studying ancient archaeology for his books it’s open to anyone he doesn’t claim to have found aliens or seen spaceships.
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That's not the point I'm making here. I'm not suggesting that amateurs and non-academics can't contribute to the field. Of course they can. My point is that he isn't contributing to the field. At all. He doesn't actually do any archaeology or anthropology, his version of "studying" is just talking about re-hashed 19th century nonsense from the sidelines. He doesn't go on digs, he doesn't write published research, he doesn't understand dating techniques, he doesn't engage with the research community (in fact he has spent his life ignoring their counter-arguments), he doesn't take part in peer review. He doesn't propose new studies or new ways of looking at our body of knowledge.

It discredits every working archaeologist who does this for a living to act like this guy is doing anything but harming the discipline. It's like claiming that homeopaths are just as qualified as trained doctors. He spends his entire time acting like a victim, misleading the public and disingenuously undermining the archaeological community about things he knows are incorrect. He is the world's most obvious grifter, he might as well be wearing neon signs saying as much, but some people still won't see it now we live in this Trumpian world where facts don't matter. The SAA has sent a letter to Netflix, asking them to correct some of the damaging bollocks that he spouts: https://documents.saa.org/container...mentaffairs/saa-letter-ancient-apocalypse.pdf

I have a degree in Mathematical Finance and the idea of bracketing this guy with the likes of Fischer Black - a brilliant mathematician who contributed massively to the field, earned a PhD and published tonnes of research that challenged existing paradigms while being actively engaged in the community - well, it's just laughable.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Graham Hancock is a conman. Lucky for him, today's society is absolutely brimming with complete chumps who will believe anything if it makes a good enough story.

He has no formal education in archaeology or anthropology, and frankly it's absurdly obvious that he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about. Netflix love it though, because nobody is actually going to look up the things he says that are just complete bullshit, they'll watch along and uncritically take everything he says as fact.

If you actually want to learn about the real mysteries of the ancient world and the gaps in our knowledge (of which there are many - the bronze age collapse being the most obvious example), follow somebody who has dedicated their life to studying the subject, not a journalist who has spent his life making up fairy tales. He's not a serious scientist looking for truth, he's the world's most obvious grifter looking to make a quick buck from the kind of people who think Joe Rogan is actually worth listening to.
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Did you fart on the keyboard whilst typing this?
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
That's not the point I'm making here. I'm not suggesting that amateurs and non-academics can't contribute to the field. Of course they can. My point is that he isn't contributing to the field. At all. He doesn't actually do any archaeology or anthropology, his version of "studying" is just talking about re-hashed 19th century nonsense from the sidelines. He doesn't go on digs, he doesn't write published research, he doesn't understand dating techniques, he doesn't engage with the research community (in fact he has spent his life ignoring their counter-arguments), he doesn't take part in peer review. He doesn't propose new studies or new ways of looking at our body of knowledge.

It discredits every working archaeologist who does this for a living to act like this guy is doing anything but harming the discipline. It's like claiming that homeopaths are just as qualified as trained doctors. He spends his entire time acting like a victim, misleading the public and disingenuously undermining the archaeological community about things he knows are incorrect. He is the world's most obvious grifter, he might as well be wearing neon signs saying as much, but some people still won't see it now we live in this Trumpian world where facts don't matter. The SAA has sent a letter to Netflix, asking them to correct some of the damaging bollocks that he spouts: https://documents.saa.org/container...mentaffairs/saa-letter-ancient-apocalypse.pdf

I have a degree in Mathematical Finance and the idea of bracketing this guy with the likes of Fischer Black - a brilliant mathematician who contributed massively to the field, earned a PhD and published tonnes of research that challenged existing paradigms while being actively engaged in the community - well, it's just laughable.
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i erased my post about fisher black immediately after i post it.

anyway, i am out from this thread. have a nice weekend everyone
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
That's not the point I'm making here. I'm not suggesting that amateurs and non-academics can't contribute to the field. Of course they can. My point is that he isn't contributing to the field. At all. He doesn't actually do any archaeology or anthropology, his version of "studying" is just talking about re-hashed 19th century nonsense from the sidelines. He doesn't go on digs, he doesn't write published research, he doesn't understand dating techniques, he doesn't engage with the research community (in fact he has spent his life ignoring their counter-arguments), he doesn't take part in peer review. He doesn't propose new studies or new ways of looking at our body of knowledge.

It discredits every working archaeologist who does this for a living to act like this guy is doing anything but harming the discipline. It's like claiming that homeopaths are just as qualified as trained doctors. He spends his entire time acting like a victim, misleading the public and disingenuously undermining the archaeological community about things he knows are incorrect. He is the world's most obvious grifter, he might as well be wearing neon signs saying as much, but some people still won't see it now we live in this Trumpian world where facts don't matter. The SAA has sent a letter to Netflix, asking them to correct some of the damaging bollocks that he spouts: https://documents.saa.org/container...mentaffairs/saa-letter-ancient-apocalypse.pdf

I have a degree in Mathematical Finance and the idea of bracketing this guy with the likes of Fischer Black - a brilliant mathematician who contributed massively to the field, earned a PhD and published tonnes of research that challenged existing paradigms while being actively engaged in the community - well, it's just laughable.
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When you bring Joe Rogan into it I have to add that several top physicists have been on the show, Sean Carroll, Neil DeGrasseTyson, Brian Cox on his show several times most people are capable of hearing both sides of a discussion and seeing through any bs.
The archeological community are pretty much against Hancock if I’m not mistaken he was described as a pseudo archaeology one of the first to right books on his findings same with ancient aliens and Erik Von Daniken
Rogan hosts both all though I don’t believe many archaeologists have been on the show it’s not a programme I watch not seen it for ages.
 
I've watched all the Hancock, Joe Rogan podcasts and I'm open to his thoughts on a lost ancient civilization. Last year he appeared with an archeologist called Flint Dibble who looked like a bit of a crank. Anyway he pretty much roasted Hancock in the debate, however it was revealed in later podcasts that Dibble had told lots of porkies to discredit Hancock. There is definitely an agenda from the mainstream against Hancock. I think they're scared he may be proven correct and large parts of their work will end up in the bin.
 
calumdown said:
don't leave.
you need a thick skin on bluemoon sometimes.
i find the things you say are worth reading.
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:))) thanx.


Turkish forums are like a witch's cauldron, I swear. I’ve stayed away from them for 25 years. A few times, I became a member of the Galatasaray forum, which takes quite a bit of effort because they don’t accept new members easily. I’ve been banned four or five times and left on my own two or three times. So, staying on forums really requires thick skin, and I just can’t manage it. Social media is not for me. Despite that, since I feel like a guest on the Bluemoon forum, I’m both more cautious and write less there, and I don’t take most comments personally, so it doesn’t really become an issue. :)

In the post I deleted yesterday, I had mentioned this: A primary school graduate who travels the world and is passionate about archaeology is more valuable to me than an archaeology professor who has spent 30 years within campus walls, never stepped onto the field, only read existing literature, and teaches undergraduates what they themselves learned during their studies.
Additionally, I said that a person can contribute academically to fields outside their primary discipline.
At this point, I gave the example of Fischer Black, a physicist who won the Nobel Prize in economics. He was the first to come to my mind because my main field is finance. Later, I felt that the Fischer Black example was too bold, so I deleted my post. Fischer received the Nobel Prize (after death) for finance; finance and physics/mathematics are similar disciplines. If I were to give an example about archaeology, I would need to find someone else.

So, the person who said my deleted post was "ridiculous" is right. But commenting and calling a post "ridiculous" when it’s already deleted and was live for maybe a minute or two… that’s what frustrates me most about forums—when people who don’t know me label my comments as “funny” or “ridiculous.” It’s like how Marty McFly gets triggered when someone calls him a “chicken.” I still haven’t figured out how to not take “funny-ridiculous” comments personally. :)

But, well, most of my friends are like this too. A lot of people even mock the mere mention of such ideas (alternative historical theories). I don’t understand why. Maybe we don’t get it, and one day we’ll reach the capacity to understand. I’m serious...

Anyway:
Expecting Graham Hancock to contribute academically or publish in archaeology is a bit unrealistic. We can’t demand such a thing from him—especially in a field like archaeology.

If I were an archaeology student right now and, for example, wanted to write an academic paper arguing that the findings at Göbekli Tepe belonged to an advanced civilization, most universities would try to block me—maybe all of them. I wouldn’t graduate. My academic career would be over.
Even as a Turkish PhD holder, if I were to go to Göbekli Tepe (which I plan to do soon—I’m ashamed I haven’t yet, but most areas are closed off anyway, and they don’t show much), work on the field, and prepare an academic paper—where would it get published in a respected journal? I doubt it. Let’s say it did get published; later, mainstream archaeology academics would tear me apart. My academic career would be over. They’d ruin me. Why would I bother with that? eEven posting on a forum can be nerve-wracking. Writing an academic paper? No, thank you.

I’m not sure if anyone here has published an academic paper before on any topic, but writing an academic paper—especially on a topic you love—is quite easy ------------ (by the way, i still have none published papers, other than phd thesis. but at the moment 4 papers i am working on, 1 psychology, 1 exercise psychology, 2-3 finance. I’m quite particular about this topic and find it pointless to write academic papers just for the sake of publishing. Moreover, I’ve both worked in finance sector and pursued an academic career, so I never needed to write academic papers to make money or get academic promotion..)----------- Graham Hancock could write one if he wanted to… or he could support some student academics and have them write one. But he wouldn’t be able to find students willing to do it because of the reasons I mentioned above. I believe he mentioned these points in one of his programs as well.
So mainstream academia pushes people out of the academic space and then accuses them of "not speaking academically." Ordinary people fall for this, and that’s exactly what mainstream academia wants.

I’ve known about Graham Hancock for at least 20 years. I skimmed through his books when I was younger, and when YouTube came along, I watched his videos. As one user here mentioned yesterday, the man doesn’t say things like “aliens exist” or “there was an advanced civilization before the Ice Age.” He just says, “Guys, there are these findings here; I think they’re interesting. Let’s research them together.” I’ve never heard him make any extreme claims. The amount of unnecessary ridicule he faces is sad. That’s all I was trying to point out in the post I made here yesterday.

I want to say a few things about science as well. In recent years, I’ve grown tired of bringing up this topic, partly because of my work, but it keeps coming up.

People don’t fully understand what “science” really is. Science is not the truth or an absolute reality. It’s just a method we use to approach the truth. Science is far from perfect, but it’s still the best method we have to get closer to understanding reality. I think most of us already know this. However, in my academic career, especially among my students and peers, I’ve noticed one common misconception: they think every discipline has the same level of scientific rigor.

For example, physics is highly reliable—let’s say 99%—and biology and chemistry are similarly robust. But then there’s psychology (I’ve also studied psychology), which is only about 100 years old and might only be 10-20% scientific. Or consider fields like business or economics (I’m using examples from my own areas to avoid offending anyone). Take economics, for instance. You don’t need to have studied economics or finance to propose a valid theory. I’ve spent 25 years in the field, yet I’ve met businesspeople with just a high school-primaryschool education (esp in grand bazaar istanbul area, when i was a young bank guy) who understand economics far better than I do. I’ve learned so much from them. I’ve often thought, “I wish these people could contribute to the literature.” In many fields, a degree is not essential—especially in areas like economy, fiannce, busiess, even psychology or archaeology or history (i dont know if history is even a science or smthng.)

Frankly, the concept of a university has also lost much of its relevance today. If I were 18 again, I wouldn’t even go to university. I’d stay at home and learn everything on my own, make my academic research home; i have all the tools, all the academic books (libgen), all the academic papers (scihub), all statistical tools (also chatgbt, which i use as a statistical tool) etc etc. going to a uni is a waste of time for a guy who wants to do research in 90% of the disciplines. There’s really no need for university in 90% of cases anymore, depending on your career goals. I even tell this to my students and peers. I argue with professors a lot about this, too. :))) i99% of universities in Turkey have already turned into business establishments (profit centers - They are exploiting kid's money. same for the rest of the world in a lower percentage. turkey is a extreme case unfortunately) in the last 20 years


Take care.
 
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calumdown said:
don't leave.
you need a thick skin on bluemoon sometimes.
i find the things you say are worth reading.
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This is very true.

For example, I spoke of seeing positions and trends not associated in MSM in the politics thread and got lambasted for it and banned, when I was proved right in the end.

People don't like hearing a different opinion because it can scramble their safety network and so, they react. It's not you that's the problem; it's their handling of the different opinion.
 
kerem gokmen said:
:))) thanx.


Turkish forums are like a witch's cauldron, I swear. I’ve stayed away from them for 25 years. A few times, I became a member of the Galatasaray forum, which takes quite a bit of effort because they don’t accept new members easily. I’ve been banned four or five times and left on my own two or three times. So, staying on forums really requires thick skin, and I just can’t manage it. Social media is not for me. Despite that, since I feel like a guest on the Bluemoon forum, I’m both more cautious and write less there, and I don’t take most comments personally, so it doesn’t really become an issue. :)

In the post I deleted yesterday, I had mentioned this: A primary school graduate who travels the world and is passionate about archaeology is more valuable to me than an archaeology professor who has spent 30 years within campus walls, never stepped onto the field, only read existing literature, and teaches undergraduates what they themselves learned during their studies.
Additionally, I said that a person can contribute academically to fields outside their primary discipline.
At this point, I gave the example of Fischer Black, a physicist who won the Nobel Prize in economics. He was the first to come to my mind because my main field is finance. Later, I felt that the Fischer Black example was too bold, so I deleted my post. Fischer received the Nobel Prize (after death) for finance; finance and physics/mathematics are similar disciplines. If I were to give an example about archaeology, I would need to find someone else.

So, the person who said my deleted post was "ridiculous" is right. But commenting and calling a post "ridiculous" when it’s already deleted and was live for maybe a minute or two… that’s what frustrates me most about forums—when people who don’t know me label my comments as “funny” or “ridiculous.” It’s like how Marty McFly gets triggered when someone calls him a “chicken.” I still haven’t figured out how to not take “funny-ridiculous” comments personally. :)

But, well, most of my friends are like this too. A lot of people even mock the mere mention of such ideas (alternative historical theories). I don’t understand why. Maybe we don’t get it, and one day we’ll reach the capacity to understand. I’m serious...

Anyway:
Expecting Graham Hancock to contribute academically or publish in archaeology is a bit unrealistic. We can’t demand such a thing from him—especially in a field like archaeology.

If I were an archaeology student right now and, for example, wanted to write an academic paper arguing that the findings at Göbekli Tepe belonged to an advanced civilization, most universities would try to block me—maybe all of them. I wouldn’t graduate. My academic career would be over.
Even as a Turkish PhD holder, if I were to go to Göbekli Tepe (which I plan to do soon—I’m ashamed I haven’t yet, but most areas are closed off anyway, and they don’t show much), work on the field, and prepare an academic paper—where would it get published in a respected journal? I doubt it. Let’s say it did get published; later, mainstream archaeology academics would tear me apart. My academic career would be over. They’d ruin me. Why would I bother with that? eEven posting on a forum can be nerve-wracking. Writing an academic paper? No, thank you.

I’m not sure if anyone here has published an academic paper before on any topic, but writing an academic paper—especially on a topic you love—is quite easy ------------ (by the way, i still have none published papers, other than phd thesis. but at the moment 4 papers i am working on, 1 psychology, 1 exercise psychology, 2-3 finance. I’m quite particular about this topic and find it pointless to write academic papers just for the sake of publishing. Moreover, I’ve both worked in finance sector and pursued an academic career, so I never needed to write academic papers to make money or get academic promotion..)----------- Graham Hancock could write one if he wanted to… or he could support some student academics and have them write one. But he wouldn’t be able to find students willing to do it because of the reasons I mentioned above. I believe he mentioned these points in one of his programs as well.
So mainstream academia pushes people out of the academic space and then accuses them of "not speaking academically." Ordinary people fall for this, and that’s exactly what mainstream academia wants.

I’ve known about Graham Hancock for at least 20 years. I skimmed through his books when I was younger, and when YouTube came along, I watched his videos. As one user here mentioned yesterday, the man doesn’t say things like “aliens exist” or “there was an advanced civilization before the Ice Age.” He just says, “Guys, there are these findings here; I think they’re interesting. Let’s research them together.” I’ve never heard him make any extreme claims. The amount of unnecessary ridicule he faces is sad. That’s all I was trying to point out in the post I made here yesterday.

I want to say a few things about science as well. In recent years, I’ve grown tired of bringing up this topic, partly because of my work, but it keeps coming up.

People don’t fully understand what “science” really is. Science is not the truth or an absolute reality. It’s just a method we use to approach the truth. Science is far from perfect, but it’s still the best method we have to get closer to understanding reality. I think most of us already know this. However, in my academic career, especially among my students and peers, I’ve noticed one common misconception: they think every discipline has the same level of scientific rigor.

For example, physics is highly reliable—let’s say 99%—and biology and chemistry are similarly robust. But then there’s psychology (I’ve also studied psychology), which is only about 100 years old and might only be 10-20% scientific. Or consider fields like business or economics (I’m using examples from my own areas to avoid offending anyone). Take economics, for instance. You don’t need to have studied economics or finance to propose a valid theory. I’ve spent 25 years in the field, yet I’ve met businesspeople with just a high school-primaryschool education (esp in grand bazaar istanbul area, when i was a young bank guy) who understand economics far better than I do. I’ve learned so much from them. I’ve often thought, “I wish these people could contribute to the literature.” In many fields, a degree is not essential—especially in areas like economy, fiannce, busiess, even psychology or archaeology or history (i dont know if history is even a science or smthng.)

Frankly, the concept of a university has also lost much of its relevance today. If I were 18 again, I wouldn’t even go to university. I’d stay at home and learn everything on my own, make my academic research home; i have all the tools, all the academic books (libgen), all the academic papers (scihub), all statistical tools (also chatgbt, which i use as a statistical tool) etc etc. going to a uni is a waste of time for a guy who wants to do research in 90% of the disciplines. There’s really no need for university in 90% of cases anymore, depending on your career goals. I even tell this to my students and peers. I argue with professors a lot about this, too. :))) i99% of universities in Turkey have already turned into business establishments (profit centers - They are exploiting kid's money. same for the rest of the world in a lower percentage. turkey is a extreme case unfortunately) in the last 20 years


Take care.
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Fuck off you boring bugger ;)
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Fuck off you boring bugger ;)
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:))) cheers. time has come to close my account... i just opened it for final in isfanbul with my real name... i dont like it already. sending a mailil to ads i think thata the only way to close the account... social media si not for me
 
kerem gokmen said:
:))) cheers. time has come to close my account... i just opened it for final in isfanbul with my real name... i dont like it already. sending a mailil to ads i think thata the only way to close the account... social media si not for me
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Kerem, he was only joking! You should stay. A lot of blues on here were very grateful for all the info you shared re Istanbul for the final and enjoy reading your posts.
 
kerem gokmen said:
:))) cheers. time has come to close my account... i just opened it for final in isfanbul with my real name... i dont like it already. sending a mailil to ads i think thata the only way to close the account... social media si not for me
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I, for one, hope you keep posting.

It's really easy to use a message board as a stream of consciousness release and I had to reign that in, some years ago. In my opinion, most people have a small window of patience to read. It's very rare, on here, a majority will take on board all you have to say.

If you do decide to stay, just shorten some of the thought process; I had to. Just be punchy with your convo and keep the engagement. You will have like minded individuals that are interested what you have to offer and I like to read and absorb different views.

Me? I'm not trying to converse with closed minded people, myself.
 
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