VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Coljj]

Have they given a reason for the fuck up? I assume the software crashed when trying to measure it?

If it was human error then it's time for the 'Semi-Automated Offside Technology' (SAOT) to be implemented.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Have they given a reason for the fuck up? I assume the software crashed when trying to measure it?

If it was human error then it's time for the 'Semi-Automated Offside Technology' (SAOT) to be implemented.

Apparently, England thought the goal had been awarded, so when he said "check complete", he thought he was supporting the on-field decision.

Which raises, inter alia, the following:

It's an indication of how poor the communication is between referee and VAR. Drop the chummy nicknames, get professional and have clear communication for Christ's sake. It's the absolute minimum.

There are how many on VAR?Three? Four? Yet none of them knew what was actually happening in the game?

This is a consequence of putting poor referees in charge of VAR. You get poor VAR. Surprise.

Finally, SAOT won't get rid of human error, there are still a large number of human judgments required, although it would clear this one up because it would say offside or not offside, not check fucking complete. But that is communication, not a technical issue.

 

[Keeper!]

Were getting fucked next week aren't we?

Whatever happened at Stockley park fucked the dippers from going top.

Attwell and Tierney on VAR it is then.

Too many clubs are getting "fucked" by VAR.

I thought the whole reason of VAR was to prevent that.

PL referees and VAR officials are totally incompetent, that's the issue.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Ideally this would be the catalyst for fucking VAR off. Sadly it won’t happen, but the game is undeniably worse as a result of VAR.

I agree, but the problem is that the genie is out of the bottle now for offsides. People have become accustomed to decisions of a toenail offside, or a knee in a running movement, which are impossible for a linesman to judge. Pre-VAR people, especially, those in the ground, were more forgiving of close offside decisions because it is a near impossible job sometimes and they couldn't do any better themselves. Not sure that, if VAR is scrapped, the linesmen wouldn't get crucified every time Sky shows a toenail offside, especially for the "favoured" clubs. And you can be sure the debate would be moved to how much better it was WITH VAR.

Basically, we are stuck with this shit-show.

 

[urban genie]

VAR works quire well though not perfectly in other countries, and here has worsened under Webbs changes and edicts.

Either suspend it untill competent newly trained VAR officials are apppointed or simplify what it is there to do.

• Remove the marginally offside checks, offside in itself wasn't created for a toenail to be a factor it was clear goal hanging
• Remove making judgement calls on incidents that the naked eye cannot see no matter the angle, if it is going to end up just as a guess VAR shouldn't interfere and leave ot to the onfield refs judgement live in play.
• Revert to hand to ball for hand ball and nothing else, unatural positons and bounces that strike the hand should be an in play call and not VAR reviewed
• Only when a clear error is made should it be used not as a get out of jail card for a ref too scared to make a decision.
• revert back to flagging offside straight away, this waiting till taking a shot is stupid and confusing
• Decide how many passes are a new phase of play, presently VAR calls back decision from passages of play that are random

And lastly employ refs that are not swayed by a crowd call for a decision like pauson yesterday and seen many a time in games a roar and the whistle goes is being a coward

 

[jim tolmies perm]

VAR works quire well though not perfectly in other countries, and here has worsened under Webbs changes and edicts.

Either suspend it untill competent newly trained VAR officials are apppointed or simplify what it is there to do.

• Remove the marginally offside checks, offside in itself wasn't created for a toenail to be a factor it was clear goal hanging
• Remove making judgement calls on incidents that the naked eye cannot see no matter the angle, if it is going to end up just as a guess VAR shouldn't interfere and leave ot to the onfield refs judgement live in play.
• Revert to hand to ball for hand ball and nothing else, unatural positons and bounces that strike the hand should be an in play call and not VAR reviewed
• Only when a clear error is made should it be used not as a get out of jail card for a ref too scared to make a decision.
• revert back to flagging offside straight away, this waiting till taking a shot is stupid and confusing
• Decide how many passes are a new phase of play, presently VAR calls back decision from passages of play that are random

And lastly employ refs that are not swayed by a crowd call for a decision like pauson yesterday and seen many a time in games a roar and the whistle goes is being a coward

Sorry mate but just a preponderance of common sense in that post

 

[1961_vintage]

And lastly employ refs that are not swayed by a crowd call for a decision like pauson yesterday and seen many a time in games a roar and the whistle goes is being a coward

It's a profession that attracts the very people who will be easily swayed by a crowd.

If they weren't refs, they would be auditors or something similarly spineless.

 

[freshie]

This is completely bonkers

 

[urban genie]

This is completely bonkers

Darren England has a lot of form for making terrible VAR decisions

 

[threespires]

Apparently, England thought the goal had been awarded, so when he said "check complete", he thought he was supporting the on-field decision.

Which raises, inter alia, the following:

It's an indication of how poor the communication is between referee and VAR. Drop the chummy nicknames, get professional and have clear communication for Christ's sake. It's the absolute minimum.

Wow, if that's the case it's so amateurish it beggars belief.

It's not like they didn't have other sports to base their protocols on. The fact it's by far our biggest sport and has been very successful in bringing huge amounts of money into the game (at least at the top level) breeds an arrogance at odds with the level of competence displayed by the majority of people involved in it's administration.