VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Gordyola]

They never had it. But interesting development- I’ll always back tech help for refs but would happily sacrifice that if everyone accepted awful officiating- which we had previously.

Before there was one awful official now we have 3 or 4 some of them have toys to play with

 

[halfcenturyup]

Correct, VAR has been introduced just at the peak off fuckwit social media society we live in. Which hasn’t helped at all.

I like that you think it has peaked. I salute your optimism.

VAR is still shit, though.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I like that you think it has peaked. I salute your optimism.

VAR is still shit, though.

Surely Twitter especially can't get anymore tediously horrific.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Surely Twitter especially can't get anymore tediously horrific.

Once again, I salute your optimism that there is nothing worse than Twitter just around the corner.

 

[meltonblue]

Found this an interesting watch -

 

[Stephen230]

Found this an interesting watch -

It’s an old one but it’s a good example of a multi incident review that shows why the suggestion I’ve heard numerous times that reviews should have a strict time limit on them is not a good idea.

It’s also a good example of what we were discussing the other day when someone asked how do the TV pundits know about decisions before the referee?

You can hear the VAR in this clip as soon as Jackson is confirmed as offside saying…” Ok send that to TV” They then have a lengthy look at two possible penalty shouts and send the referee to the monitor before the final decision is reached.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

It’s an old one but it’s a good example of a multi incident review that shows why the suggestion I’ve heard numerous times that reviews should have a strict time limit on them is not a good idea.

It’s also a good example of what we were discussing the other day when someone asked how do the TV pundits know about decisions before the referee?

You can hear the VAR in this clip as soon as Jackson is confirmed as offside saying…” Ok send that to TV” They then have a lengthy look at two possible penalty shouts and send the referee to the monitor before the final decision is reached.

Why? That’s a really unusual combination of incidents. But even then, you could have the time limit per incident that you’re reviewing. So in that case you have 30 seconds for the offside, 30 for the first penalty check, and 30 for the second penalty check. It’s really not that hard.

 

[madloaf]

Found this an interesting watch -

It's almost exactly like listening to fucking idiots talking about refereeing football, which isn't surprising.

 

[Stephen230]

Why? That’s a really unusual combination of incidents. But even then, you could have the time limit per incident that you’re reviewing. So in that case you have 30 seconds for the offside, 30 for the first penalty check, and 30 for the second penalty check. It’s really not that hard.

Putting people already under pressure under strict time restraints isn’t a way to improvement. It’s a way to complete chaos.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Putting people already under pressure under strict time restraints isn’t a way to improvement. It’s a way to complete chaos.

lol, have you listened to some of the VAR audio?

 

[Stephen230]

lol, have you listened to some of the VAR audio?

I have. Now imagine that chaos with a big fuck off Countdown clock ticking down for good measure.

 

[Stiff Little Wingers]

Found this an interesting watch -

Bloody hell. Thought I was watching a rerun of the Golden Shot with Anne Aston for the offside.
For the penalty (which wasn’t one as far as I can see because the defender is trying to boot the ball as hard as he can) - why does the VAR man tell the ref he thinks it’s a pen, why not just leave it to the ref?

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Look at this omni-shambles




Look at how many refs are giving subjective arguments - On where the offside lines should be drawn, on what is a penalty, on if it is offside... Its all guesswork.

Its like we now have 5 refs on the field, each with a different opinion. Crazy crazy crazy.

This is NOT the way football should be reffed.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Bloody hell. Thought I was watching a rerun of the Golden Shot with Anne Aston for the offside.
For the penalty (which wasn’t one as far as I can see because the defender is trying to boot the ball as hard as he can) - why does the VAR man tell the ref he thinks it’s a pen, why not just leave it to the ref?

Mostly because the VAR official has to believe that the referee has made an error before asking them to go to the screen.

The full force of studs impacting above the ankle made it a stonewall red card in today’s laws.

 

[meltonblue]

I’m not a fan of VAR and never wanted it implemented but the interesting thing with that one is it also shows to me how difficult the onfield refs have got it too. In real time, I don’t think any of those decisions are easy to spot. Pre VAR though I’m sure they’d have been criticised post game for it.

It’s such a tricky one as everyone seems to want more leniency or for things to be sped up unless it’s a decision affecting them.

 

[jitsubluedan]

Bloody hell. Thought I was watching a rerun of the Golden Shot with Anne Aston for the offside.
For the penalty (which wasn’t one as far as I can see because the defender is trying to boot the ball as hard as he can) - why does the VAR man tell the ref he thinks it’s a pen, why not just leave it to the ref?

Did they say “Bernie the bolt” when they’d drew the line?!

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

I have. Now imagine that chaos with a big fuck off Countdown clock ticking down for good measure.

Whatever mate. We aren’t going to agree clearly.

 

[Stephen230]

I’m not a fan of VAR and never wanted it implemented but the interesting thing with that one is it also shows to me how difficult the onfield refs have got it too. In real time, I don’t think any of those decisions are easy to spot. Pre VAR though I’m sure they’d have been criticised post game for it.

It’s such a tricky one as everyone seems to want more leniency or for things to be sped up unless it’s a decision affecting them.

The sending off is never even a foul in any other era. No way with him getting the ball first is any referee spotting that, however well positioned he is.

Even the VAR says it looks like a fair tackle on the first replay. Then changes his mind to reckless ( yellow card ) on the second replay and eventually settles on serious foul play ( red card) after a couple more looks.

It’s probably the right decision in the end. People will have different opinions whether reaching the right decision eventually is more important than putting up with what precedes it.

 

[stonerblue]

Putting people already under pressure under strict time restraints isn’t a way to improvement. It’s a way to complete chaos.

So we should all stop and wait for however long it takes?

 

[Stephen230]

So we should all stop and wait for however long it takes?

Scrap it completely for all I care.

But if you’re going to have it, it seems a bit silly putting the officials under ridiculous time constraints, that will inevitably lead to more wrong calls.