VAR thread 2022/23

[ancoats]

With United and Liverpool and VAR

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

You don’t believe they aren’t.

Could you link me to an article criticising the Dias handball?

Of course the laws aren't being applied consistently.

Man City issued 'harsh' verdict by pundit as controversy analysed

Football Insider has been told by Paul Robinson that the decision to penalise Man City defender Ruben Dias for handball in the Community Shield was "harsh".

www.footballinsider247.com

Former Man City defender questions Liverpool penalty after 'unlucky' handball

Liverpool won their first Community Shield since 2006 thanks to goals from Trent Alexander-Arnold, Mohamed Salah and Darwin Nunez

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

 

[its grim up north]

With all due respect, I was talking about the Premier League.

I can’t comment much on a blurred still from another jurisdiction.

What they will say though is that it’s hit his hand outside of a natural silhouette and therefore a penalty will be given, in all likelihood.

As long as handball decisions are consistent, the ruling minutiae doesn’t matter to me.

Consistency, that's the word. That's what we all want. But best of luck with that one.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

You’ve been consistent in your support of VAR, and I think for the most part proven right. It was a shitshow at the beginning and early criticisms were justified. It works a lot better now, which you predicted. No way now I’d want to go back to the non VAR days, where refs would would have a much greater license to kill us.

It is getting better for sure. But, for me, not to the extent that it pays off on the downsides. The offside issue encapsulates it for me. It’s not accurate but we are told the calls are black and white.

Rewind to when VAR was being introduced and we were told it would be a tool to help Refs make better decisions. Letting a ref look at the video in slo mo for 30 secs does that. If you are getting to the stage of a team of 6 hundreds of miles away are drawing lines on armpits and toe nails then their original call was fine

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Of course the laws aren't being applied consistently.

Man City issued 'harsh' verdict by pundit as controversy analysed

Football Insider has been told by Paul Robinson that the decision to penalise Man City defender Ruben Dias for handball in the Community Shield was "harsh".

www.footballinsider247.com

Former Man City defender questions Liverpool penalty after 'unlucky' handball

Liverpool won their first Community Shield since 2006 thanks to goals from Trent Alexander-Arnold, Mohamed Salah and Darwin Nunez

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk

Thanks, so a former city player and one other pundit questioned it.

Hardly a backlash. Was the Liverpool Echo’s headline “How Dias’ handball helped Liverpool win their first trophy of the season?”

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Consistency, that's the word. That's what we all want. But best of luck with that one.

Having VAR adds to the consistency though, not takes away.

Its not perfect as it can’t be, but it gets more decisions right than before, so is an overall positive on the game.

 

[Gazza]

You not enjoying football these last few seasons ?

Well, after 38 years of having a season ticket I gave it up the second season after VAR was introduced. I find, as a fan I'm less in the dark about what's happening during a VAR break whilst watching in the comfort of my own home.
So, in answer to your question - not as much.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Thanks, so a former city player and one other pundit questioned it.

Hardly a backlash. Was the Liverpool Echo’s headline “How Dias’ handball helped Liverpool win their first trophy of the season?”

No pleasing some people is there.

You said 'Could you link me to an article criticising the Dias handball?'

I sent you two articles and I also remember hearing a couple of commentators saying it either wouldn't be a penalty or it was harsh. The point still stands that VAR hasn't done for the game what fans thought it would. If you think it has then you need to form a 'VAR is great' society with BlueHammer85.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No pleasing some people is there.

You said 'Could you link me to an article criticising the Dias handball?'

I sent you two articles and I also remember hearing a couple of commentators saying it either wouldn't be a penalty or it was harsh. The point still stands that VAR hasn't done for the game what fans thought it would. If you think it has then you need to form a 'VAR is great' society with BlueHammer85.

Indeed, one from a source that is mocked daily on here and another that is read by a few on Twitter.

99% of people were happy that it was a penalty. A few blinkered a City fans and a couple of pundits had a bit of a moan about it, but not really as they were just saying it to be quoted.

VAR isn’t great, but it helps get more decisions right than happened before it.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Indeed, one from a source that is mocked daily on here and another that is read by a few on Twitter.

99% of people were happy that it was a penalty. A few blinkered a City fans and a couple of pundits had a bit of a moan about it, but not really as they were just saying it to be quoted.

VAR isn’t great, but it helps get more decisions right than happened before it.

Next time you ask me for any documentation you better put your list of caveats of what I can link to. At least we agree VAR isn't great and it is still making too many mistakes for it to be anything other than shit.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Next time you ask me for any documentation you better put your list of caveats of what I can link to. At least we agree VAR isn't great and it is still making too many mistakes for it to be anything other than shit.

That’s just your tired, cynical view of football.

If I shared that view, I would never watch another game of football again.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

That’s just your tired, cynical view of football.

If I shared that view, I would never watch another game of football again.

Whatever

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Whatever

Indeed. I shall continue to watch and enjoy football, whereas you shall watch and focus on the negatives and howl at the moon about a system that isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

Hope it works out for you, fella.

 

[ancoats]

No pleasing some people is there.

You said 'Could you link me to an article criticising the Dias handball?'

I sent you two articles and I also remember hearing a couple of commentators saying it either wouldn't be a penalty or it was harsh. The point still stands that VAR hasn't done for the game what fans thought it would. If you think it has then you need to form a 'VAR is great' society with BlueHammer85.

The losing of the community shield by fair means or foul live on the day is OK by me, but what is not right is VAR ?
Firstly, Manchester city should have had a pen for handball when Fabinho stops the ball in trying to defend it,
I think the city goal paper over the fact VAR never even looked at it,

so if Dias is handball by VAR, because of a clear and obvious error by the match official then city was robbed of a pen because they never even looked at it, THAT IS WHAT SIT'S WRONG WITH ME and not the result

 

[Blue Til Death]

Fuck VAR, I will be saying that once every season, it’s utterly useless but not quite as useless as the clowns reviewing it…!
Some of the decisions are plain bent, simple as that …!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

If you hold that opinion, football will be “corrupt”, whatever system is employed.

This then begs the question as to why you’d follow football at all if you think it corrupt.

Iv not mentioned corruption, nowhere I think! I do believe in bias (I mentioned that 5 or 6 times). You've totally missed the point of my post. Bias exists, the more people involved in decision making the more chance the bias has to creep through. I thought I was plain about that, not sure why you've read it another way.

I dont know if I am right or wrong, but it certainly is an explanation of why decisions are screwy sometimes with VAR. Its why we see what we see, chaotic decisions.... IE lots of people having an input into the decision making... Including the Match Commander if that was to be believed?

But corruption, brown envelopes, secret payments... Nah I didnt mention tyhat

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Iv not mentioned corruption, nowhere I think! I do believe in bias (I mentioned that 5 or 6 times). You've totally missed the point of my post. Bias exists, the more people involved in decision making the more chance the bias has to creep through. I thought I was plain about that, not sure why you've read it another way.

I dont know if I am right or wrong, but it certainly is an explanation of why decisions are screwy sometimes with VAR. Its why we see what we see, chaotic decisions.... IE lots of people having an input into the decision making... Including the Match Commander if that was to be believed?

But corruption, brown envelopes, secret payments... Nah I didnt mention tyhat

Fair enough. I apologise for using the C word.

I still wouldn’t watch a sport that I believed results were being manipulated through bias or the C word.

VAR will get more transparent. It will improve too.

The next step is dialogue being released after the game. This will improve things and then lead to dialogue being heard in real time before long.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Fair enough. I apologise for using the C word.

I still wouldn’t watch a sport that I believed results were being manipulated through bias or the C word.

VAR will get more transparent. It will improve too.

The next step is dialogue being released after the game. This will improve things and then lead to dialogue being heard in real time before long.

I imagine it like this :

Ref - was that a handball
VAR person 1 - it could be
VAR person 2 - sub rule 56 says No
VAR person 3 (With a slight lfc leaning) - Nah there was a foul leading up to it so City dont deserve a penalty
Match Commander - Just make the fkin decision NOW
VAR person 1 - er. er. random answer based on some bit of the rules

What we see in the game is confusion. Chaotic decisions, basically wrong some times

Mic em up, but I guess first they have to get their shit in order.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I imagine it like this :

Ref - was that a handball
VAR person 1 - it could be
VAR person 2 - sub rule 56 says yes
VAR person 3 (With a slight lfc leaning) - Nah there was a foul leading up to it so City dont deserve a penalty
Match commander - Just make the fkin decision NOW
VAR person 1 - er. er. random answer based on some bit of the rules

What we see is confusion.

Mic em up, but I guess first they have to get their shit in order.

It’ll get there. It’ll just take time.

 

[BlueHammer85]

It’ll get there. It’ll just take time.

Which is what many have said all along

It’s already vastly improved despite the odd bad decision massively highlighted across social media and forums nowadays

It will always improve but never be perfect and please everyone - that’s life

If there really is biase and corruption it’s far easier to do without VAR