VAR thread 2022/23

[Nascent Blues]

Did the ref make a clear and obvious error?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Did the ref make a clear and obvious error?

He thought so.

 

[Nascent Blues]

He thought so.

But the team doing VAR had to make that initial decision, and I don't have a clue how 'they' could have decided that it was clear and obvious.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

But the team doing VAR had to make that initial decision, and I don't have a clue how 'they' could have decided that it was clear and obvious.

They didn’t think it met the criteria for a red card. That is how they think on those types of decisions.

 

[Nascent Blues]

They didn’t think it met the criteria for a red card. That is how they think on those types of decisions.

But that doesn't mean it was a clear and obvious error, does it?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

But that doesn't mean it was a clear and obvious error, does it?

In their eyes, it does.

 

[Nascent Blues]

In their eyes, it does.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No, it doesn't.

One referee deems it violent conduct/excessive force, another doesn’t.

The second referee then suggested the first has another look at the decision again.

The first referee then has the choice to stick or change his decision having reviewed it on the screen.

 

[Nascent Blues]

One referee deems it violent conduct/excessive force, another doesn’t.

The second referee then suggested the first has another look at the decision again.

The first referee then has the choice to stick or change his decision having reviewed it on the screen.

The second referee doesn't have to be sure it wasn't violent/excessive force; he has to be sure that the referee's decision, on the field of play in real time, was a clear and obvious mistake. I'm saying by the law of the game, how could that be deemed a 'clear and obvious mistake' by the referee?

Do you think it was a clear and obvious mistake by the ref in real time?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The second referee doesn't have to be sure it wasn't violent/excessive force; he has to be sure that the referee's decision, on the field of play in real time, was a clear and obvious mistake. I'm saying by the law of the game, how could that be deemed a 'clear and obvious mistake' by the referee?

Do you think it was a clear and obvious mistake by the ref in real time?

My reaction was a yellow card.

Referees will think differently and think excessive force? Violent? Etc.

The clear and obvious label needs binning as it’s meaningless.

 

[Nascent Blues]

My reaction was a yellow card.

Referees will think differently and think excessive force? Violent? Etc.

The clear and obvious label needs binning as it’s meaningless.

I didn't ask you if you thought it was a yellow in real time, but whether the ref made a clear and obvious error. Did he?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

I didn't ask you if you thought it was a yellow in real time, but whether the ref made a clear and obvious error. Did he?

Yes as I thought it was a yellow card challenge.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

One referee deems it violent conduct/excessive force, another doesn’t.

The second referee then suggested the first has another look at the decision again.

The first referee then has the choice to stick or change his decision having reviewed it on the screen.

When was the last time a ref change their mind after being told to look again at a non clear and obvious error?

 

[Nascent Blues]

Yes as I thought it was a yellow card challenge.

So I can infer from what you're saying that any error a ref makes is a clear and obvious error, which is bollocks.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

When was the last time a ref change their mind after being told to look again at a non clear and obvious error?

I’m not a database, but I remember Walker-Peters having a red card rescinded at Palace a season or two back.

How about Kyle Walker vs Southampton last season at home?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

So I can infer from what you're saying that any error a ref makes is a clear and obvious error, which is bollocks.

No, what I am saying is that the VAR referee decides what a clear and obvious error is, not you nor me.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I’m not a database, but I remember Walker-Peters having a red card rescinded at Palace a season or two back.

How about Kyle Walker vs Southampton last season at home?

The Walker one showed he got the ball which the on field ref missed - Clear and obvious error.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The Walker one showed he got the ball which the on field ref missed - Clear and obvious error.

They make the decision on clear and obvious errors, not the Bluemoon kangaroo court.

 

[Nascent Blues]

No, what I am saying is that the VAR referee decides what a clear and obvious error is, not you nor me.

And you said it was clear and obvious 'because' you thought it was a yellow in real time, which means that any mistake you think the ref has made in real time is a clear and obvious error, which is bollocks.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

And you said it was clear and obvious 'because' you thought it was a yellow in real time, which means that any mistake you think the ref has made in real time is a clear and obvious error, which is bollocks.

You asked me for my opinion. I gave it.

It, obviously, had no bearing on the decision.