VAR thread 2022/23

[Blue Mist]

As someone who was against Var, but now accepts it is wonderful, I am glad to see that the 2 var operators who messed up royally in the Chelsea and Newcastle game have not been punished.
When has any form of punishment made things better? We all learn from our mistakes and I'm sure they have as well.

Edit: well colour me purple, they have hammered Mason. That is just wrong. It shows how much pressure the media can Bring to bear. I mean just ask Aguero.

Terrible decision.

 

[kaz7]

How can you prove anything doesn’t happen? There’s interviews easily found where they explain exactly what goes on in there. It is explicitly stated by FIFA that there must be no outside interference in the VAR room and it specifically uses TV broadcasts as an example. If you don’t believe them, fair enough.

Source ?

 

[Stephen230]

Source ?

I googled it and found numerous interviews and articles on the subject very quickly. Without been rude, I can’t really be arsed re-finding them and providing links, to save you doing the same.

 

[Kippax77]

I read somewhere today that in way of an apology to Newcastle, they were told that they can rest assured that things will improve in 3 months time when Howard Webb takes over....WTF.

All will be well for the magpies then until they play the Rags, obviously

 

[halfcenturyup]

So let's see how this semi-automated offside thingy works tonight.

 

[deano ou812]

So let's see how this semi-automated offside thingy works tonight.

Is this in tonight’s games thought it was being trialled first in the World Cup .

 

[york away to this!]

Sudden thought (they happen occasionally) which foot would it be measured on? Back foot or front foot?

Both. If one is beyond one of the last defender's (etc) then you're off side.

Or an embedded chip in your nose end. Etc, though you get the drift...

 

[halfcenturyup]

Is this in tonight’s games thought it was being trialled first in the World Cup .

CL group stages first. Same system (only different number of cameras) but UEFA doesn't have a ball sensor. Will be interesting to see how the cameras pick out ball movement and the 29 data points on player position.

Should be consistent at least, but let's not get carried away with sexy graphics ...... need to judge how they are produced.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

CL group stages first. Same system (only different number of cameras) but UEFA doesn't have a ball sensor. Will be interesting to see how the cameras pick out ball movement and the 29 data points on player position.

Should be consistent at least, but let's not get carried away with sexy graphics ...... need to judge how they are produced.

Probably take three quarters of an hour to align the 29 cameras.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Probably take three quarters of an hour to align the 29 cameras.

Cheating bastards.

10 cameras recording ball position and 29 data points on all 22 players 50 times a second apparently.

Don't like all this attempted quest for complete accuracy, actually. The more accurate you try to become, the more other, smaller issues come into play until we all disappear up our own arses.

Anyway, let's see how it goes.

 

[crazyg]

Both. If one is beyond one of the last defender's (etc) then you're off side.

Or an embedded chip in your nose end. Etc, though you get the drift...

But Rashford would be offside all the time.
Oh, hang on.....

 

[crazyg]

I never thought of that but very good question. How big is Shockley park

Stockley Park is a (ahem) massive hi-tech business park off the M4 opposite Heathrow. I went there a few times when I was working, to visit company HQs. A caravan park it is not.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Given that VAR can’t hear them, how do they influence decisions?

We simply don't know this to be fact.

 

[Stephen230]

We simply don't know this to be fact.

When people tell lies, they have a motivation for doing so. What possible motivation do you suppose the football authorities could have for insisting there is no outside interference in the VAR room, whilst secretly waiting for Andy Hinchcliffe’s verdict on a decision before they commit themselves?

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

We simply don't know this to be fact.

They said they didn’t. You can hear sometimes on commentary when they’re discussing what’s happening and they think something and the VAR surprise them with another interpretation.

I’m happy to think what they told us is true.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

Cheating bastards.

10 cameras recording ball position and 29 data points on all 22 players 50 times a second apparently.

Don't like all this attempted quest for complete accuracy, actually. The more accurate you try to become, the more other, smaller issues come into play until we all disappear up our own arses.

Anyway, let's see how it goes.

Worked well in the Dortmund game.

 

[moomba]

Ah, misinterpretation, I think.
I said VAR was in contact with the TV companies, not the comms. VAR would have to be to get the footage to review.

I also recall the clear statement that VAR do not hear the comms. I think that must be true, as you'd have to utterly stupid to be caught in an out and out lie.

Was it Moss that got caught on camera saying "what does the TV say" in a game before VAR existed?

I think they explained it away as him being a bit confused.

Couldn't lie straight in bed.

 

[moomba]

I've raised this point before

how about they released the transcript for Bowen incident

VAR 'We think there might be a foul on Mendy in the build up'
Ref ' Let me have a look'
Ref 'oh yeh, I can see his made contact with Mendy with his foot, looks like I'll have to rule out the goal

where does that get us ?

will be the same level if not more outrage, every detail of the script will be overanalysed and even more scrutiny and pressure on the officials.

I'm not against any of the above, but I'm pretty certain it won't appease the majority of angry folk

I'd be much happier if that happened.

You seem to think it would be a bad thing (or at least not a positive thing).

 

[Inter Me Nan]

Worked well in the Dortmund game.
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Always had a thing for Cindy Morgan.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Was it Moss that got caught on camera saying "what does the TV say" in a game before VAR existed?

I think they explained it away as him being a bit confused.

Couldn't lie straight in bed.

Vague recollection of that - I could imagine it for Moss!