VAR thread 2022/23

[Blue Mist]

I’m can’t recall exactly what Walton’s words were but he was certainly giving the impression that the VAR hadn’t even looked at the incident, which is a bit silly. They are literally sat there looking at everything. And when they are looking at a replay, the AVAR is checking the live action.

What he probably meant is the VAR didn’t see anything that he thought warranted a review. Which I imagine most people would thing was still wrong. But it’s a different scenario than Walton seemed to be suggesting.

Walton clearly stated he could see when Var reviewed an incident as he had a link to the Var studio. He again clearly stated they did not review the incident.
If Var is to have any integrity they would review any incident that could result in a goal/penalty. They cannot choose which incidents they should look at as that implies bias/corruption.

 

[Stephen230]

Walton clearly stated he could see when Var reviewed an incident as he had a link to the Var studio. He again clearly stated they did not review the incident.
If Var is to have any integrity they would review any incident that could result in a goal/penalty. They cannot choose which incidents they should look at as that implies bias/corruption.

Yes but a review is different to not even bothering looking at it. Which was what he said/ suggested. They look at every incident and the vast majority of time, when they don’t find anything untoward, nobody is any the wiser they have considered it.

A review is when they think they have identified an offence and they will notify the referee that they are reviewing.

I’m not saying this incident didn’t warrant a review. I’m saying Walton is taking shite giving people the impression that the VAR didn’t even bother having a look at it.

 

[Blue Mist]

Yes but a review is different to not even bothering looking at it. Which was what he said/ suggested. They look at every incident and the vast majority of time, when they don’t find anything untoward, nobody is any the wiser they have considered it.

A review is when they think they have identified an offence and they will notify the referee that they are reviewing.

I’m not saying this incident didn’t warrant a review. I’m saying Walton is taking shite giving people the impression that the VAR didn’t even bother having a look at it.

@Stephen230 now you are deliberately muddying the waters.
It doesnt matter what word you use, he stated Var did not look at the incident. We assume/hope they were looking at the live footage but they did not hit rewind/replay, zoom in on camera 4 or anything else. If they had have done he would have seen it. To totally ignore such an important incident is a disgrace.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yes but a review is different to not even bothering looking at it. Which was what he said/ suggested. They look at every incident and the vast majority of time, when they don’t find anything untoward, nobody is any the wiser they have considered it.

A review is when they think they have identified an offence and they will notify the referee that they are reviewing.

I’m not saying this incident didn’t warrant a review. I’m saying Walton is taking shite giving people the impression that the VAR didn’t even bother having a look at it.

Funny how they can spot an offence when no one on the ground, the players nor the ref have clocked anything, and on the other hand, fifty thousand people see a trip in the area and they tell us no pen!

 

[stonerblue]

Yes but a review is different to not even bothering looking at it. Which was what he said/ suggested. They look at every incident and the vast majority of time, when they don’t find anything untoward, nobody is any the wiser they have considered it.

A review is when they think they have identified an offence and they will notify the referee that they are reviewing.

I’m not saying this incident didn’t warrant a review. I’m saying Walton is taking shite giving people the impression that the VAR didn’t even bother having a look at it.

ffs

 

[stonerblue]

So far 5% think it has improved the game.

So that 5% are definitely in the minority.

That's @BlueHammer85 voting eight times..

 

[Stephen230]

@Stephen230 now you are deliberately muddying the waters.
It doesnt matter what word you use, he stated Var did not look at the incident. We assume/hope they were looking at the live footage but they did not hit rewind/replay, zoom in on camera 4 or anything else. If they had have done he would have seen it. To totally ignore such an important incident is a disgrace.

I’m certainly not deliberately muddying the waters. That is exactly what I’m accusing Walton of doing. In a case like this I think words do matter.

None of us know how closely, or how many times the VAR looked at the incident before he decided there was no need for a review. We saw in the City, Chelsea game recently that play can go on for a significant amount of time before they make that decision.

I actually thought number 27 may have handled it before it got to the volleyball guy, so was concentrating on that during the initial replays.

My only point is Walton saying the VAR hasn’t even bothered looking at it, or whatever his precise words were, is what is muddying the waters. Not me pointing it out.

 

[Bill the Blue]

Bill my good friend, my tongue was so firmly in my cheek I was French kissing myself.
Var was heralded by some who always quote the Milner incident where he was 10 yards offside but, all it has done is show how inept/corrupt the officiating was and still is.
Peter Walton is the biggest thief in footballing history as he always sides with the Var ref and yet last night, he stated there was no check of the handball. It is just open to abuse and we are the mugs.

I know my friend, I know..

Anyway, what do you think the chances are of the rags being fcuked over by VAR tonight ?

To be fair, they are facing one of the European elite teams later.

A team who themselves, more often than not have received a helping hand or two to help them along and keep them relevant..

Fallen European giants, who have hemorrhaged untold £100's of millions, spending money over the years on has-beens, shirt sellers, aging donkeys and players who have made them even shittier than they were to start with.

Not withstanding, their stadium is a crumbling shit hole..

.... Versus Barcelona..


Tough call..!

 

[Blue Mist]

I know my friend, I know..

Anyway, what do you think the chances are of the rags being fcuked over by VAR tonight ?

To be fair, they are facing one of the European elite teams later.

A team who themselves, more often than not have received a helping hand or two to help them along and keep them relevant..

Fallen European giants, who have hemorrhaged untold £100's of millions, spending money over the years on has-beens, shirt sellers, aging donkeys and players who have made them even shittier than they were to start with.

Not withstanding, their stadium is a crumbling shit hole..

.... Versus Barcelona..


Tough call..!

I feel sorry for the ref and Var to be honest. How can you give a blatantly offside goal to the rags if at the same time it fucks Barca over. I reckon it could end up 26 all.

 

[Stephen230]

One for all the VAR lovers in the Florentina V Braga game tonight.

Goal line technology activated the referees watch to signal the ball had crossed the line. The VAR double checked it, as they always do since that malfunction at Villa. And decided the GLT was playing up and no goal was the result.

 

[bluenova]

Walton clearly stated he could see when Var reviewed an incident as he had a link to the Var studio. He again clearly stated they did not review the incident.
If Var is to have any integrity they would review any incident that could result in a goal/penalty. They cannot choose which incidents they should look at as that implies bias/corruption.

He also stated that he doesn't have access to all the camera angles, and the only reason he could think of it for it to not be reviewed was that they had a better camera angle showing the ball hitting the shoulder.

I may have missed something, but isn't that exactly what happened - that there was another camera angle that BT hadn't initially seen which shows it missing his hands, and instead hitting his shoulder?

 

[daveoswald]

VAR is always going to be a problem as long as the adjudicators in Stockley park bring with them their childhood football allegiances, the majority being fans of the red tops, in the words of our chairman clear and obvious.

 

[halfcenturyup]

One for all the VAR lovers in the Florentina V Braga game tonight.

Goal line technology activated the referees watch to signal the ball had crossed the line. The VAR double checked it, as they always do since that malfunction at Villa. And decided the GLT was playing up and no goal was the result.

Well, tickle me to death with a feather. Now they are over-ruling the only automated system in which people place any trust?

 

[Blue Mist]

He also stated that he doesn't have access to all the camera angles, and the only reason he could think of it for it to not be reviewed was that they had a better camera angle showing the ball hitting the shoulder.

I may have missed something, but isn't that exactly what happened - that there was another camera angle that BT hadn't initially seen which shows it missing his hands, and instead hitting his shoulder?

He tried to fudge it at the end but the simple point is, he stated he knew when Var were conducting a review and they did not review it.
Walton is a yes man who always backs the officials that is why what he has said is so important. For probably the first time in his pathetic BT career, he has gone against Var

 

[Cassandra]

One for all the VAR lovers in the Florentina V Braga game tonight.

Goal line technology activated the referees watch to signal the ball had crossed the line. The VAR double checked it, as they always do since that malfunction at Villa. And decided the GLT was playing up and no goal was the result.

Liverpool demand review of John Stone's clearance.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

He also stated that he doesn't have access to all the camera angles, and the only reason he could think of it for it to not be reviewed was that they had a better camera angle showing the ball hitting the shoulder.

I may have missed something, but isn't that exactly what happened - that there was another camera angle that BT hadn't initially seen which shows it missing his hands, and instead hitting his shoulder?

The commentary team get a monitor caption stating when VAR are checking an incident, and they also get a notification of the decision.

Walton basically said they didn't get any notification of review and therefor no official VAR review took place. At that point, any mention of 'insufficient camera angles' is nullified.

If they are saying they have a camera angle showing it hit his shoulder then they are clearly using the technology outside of the constraints of VAR by essentially using a real-time remote referee (as I believe happened in the pre-VAR City v Chelsea game when Serge and Ferna got sent off).

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Liverpool demand review of John Stone's clearance.

Don't give the feral cnut's ideas.

Echo headline in 3..2..1...

 

[bluenova]

He tried to fudge it at the end but the simple point is, he stated he knew when Var were conducting a review and they did not review it.
Walton is a yes man who always backs the officials that is why what he has said is so important. For probably the first time in his pathetic BT career, he has gone against Var

I think you might be getting hung on the semantics of what a "review" is. It's a formal process in the VAR rules.

They clearly watch the whole match on multiple cameras, and will be rewinding and looking at a couple of seconds of play constantly to see if they've missed anything. IF they spot that the ref may have missed something then they formally review the incident, taking their time to make sure of the decision. We've all seen how long this lasts, with refs regularly holding up throw-ins or goal kicks.

If they can see, either in real time, or with a 2 second replay that there was no offence, then they won't bother formally reviewing it.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

He also stated that he doesn't have access to all the camera angles, and the only reason he could think of it for it to not be reviewed was that they had a better camera angle showing the ball hitting the shoulder.

I may have missed something, but isn't that exactly what happened - that there was another camera angle that BT hadn't initially seen which shows it missing his hands, and instead hitting his shoulder?

What you've missed is that this "better angle" clip (that we have since been shown) STOPS as the ball hits the defenders left shoulder. It looked like a "double handball" in real-time, with the right hand (that can be seen in the video) moving across the defender's body and palming the ball away AFTER it had hit the left shoulder, so why stop the video at the point they chose???

It's not what they show you, it's what they don't show you that is important ;)

And it can't be one of those, "it's come off another part of the body before it HITS his hand" moments, because the defender makes a deliberate movement with his right hand towards the ball, so it's a totally different scenario.

Very, very dubious; they think we're fucking stupid!

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

The commentary team get a monitor caption stating when VAR are checking an incident, and they also get a notification of the decision.

Walton basically said they didn't get any notification of review and therefor no official VAR review took place. At that point, any mention of 'insufficient camera angles' is nullified.

If they are saying they have a camera angle showing it hit his shoulder then they are clearly using the technology outside of the constraints of VAR by essentially using a real-time remote referee (as I believe happened in the pre-VAR City v Chelsea game when Serge and Ferna got sent off).

That game still boils my blood. I don't think there was a fan in the ground that didn't see twatface Taylor reach for a red card to Luiz, only to change his mind. Aguero was raging that game, and Fabregas needing kicking over the hoarding not shoving.