VAR thread 2022/23

[bluenova]

Has to be the ref.

The rag was doing exactly what he is used to doing, ie fouling the opposing player.

The ref can only see a foul by Casimero as he clearly stamps on Akanj's foot , and yet proceeds to award a free kick to the rags.

How in god's name, can that be a free kick to the rags ?

Corruption, or high level bias and /or incompetence ??

Clearly that was incompetence. Casimero went down as if he'd been the one fouled, and the ref obviously guessed that he was nearer the ball, so was probably fouled.

I am amazed that it's become a certain red on these pages though - there's no way that's given as a red in most games. Bernardo would be up there with Richard Dunne for sendings off if it was. It's a definite yellow, but I think it's yellow enough to be overturned if the ref had given a red on the field.

 

[bluenova]

How far away was the linesman from this ?

He would have had Akanji blocking his view of the tackle. Casemiro has absolutely conned everyone with his squeal and flop.

 

[Gazza]

I could accept the decision if it had altered the trajectory of the ball but as it didn't, why is it a deemed a penalty worthy offence?

 

[Gazza]

Clearly that was incompetence. Casimero went down as if he'd been the one fouled, and the ref obviously guessed that he was nearer the ball, so was probably fouled.

I am amazed that it's become a certain red on these pages though - there's no way that's given as a red in most games. Bernardo would be up there with Richard Dunne for sendings off if it was. It's a definite yellow, but I think it's yellow enough to be overturned if the ref had given a red on the field.

Watching on the TV when the ref gave them the foul, I automatically thought that Akanji had lunged in after the ball - I think the ref's forget that we can watch close up replays.

 

[SebastianBlue]

I could accept the decision if it had altered the trajectory of the ball but as it didn't, why is it a deemed a penalty worthy offence?

Because the current handball rules—and use of VAR—allow them to make whatever decision they want, regardless of the actual incident.

That’s why we see very similar (if not nearly identical) handball incidents result in wildly different referee decisions.

The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug.

 

[bluenova]

Watching on the TV when the ref gave them the foul, I automatically thought that Akanji had lunged in after the ball - I think the ref's forget that we can watch close up replays.

The ref was a lot closer, but still about 20 metres and viewing it from a similar angle to the TV. You'd hope they were better, but I suspect, rather than some evil plot, he had the same opinion as you.

 

[Gazza]

Because the current handball rules—and use of VAR—allow them to make whatever decision they want, regardless of the actual incident.

That’s why we see very similar (if not nearly identical) handball incidents result in wildly different referee decisions.

The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug.

I know it's a penalty by the letter of the law but I bet even the United fans were embarrassed by that - or maybe not.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Clearly that was incompetence. Casimero went down as if he'd been the one fouled, and the ref obviously guessed that he was nearer the ball, so was probably fouled.

I am amazed that it's become a certain red on these pages though - there's no way that's given as a red in most games. Bernardo would be up there with Richard Dunne for sendings off if it was. It's a definite yellow, but I think it's yellow enough to be overturned if the ref had given a red on the field.

I wasn't arguing that the incident should have resulted in a red or yellow card, but that Casimero was the player committing the foul, despite the free kick being given in united's favour.

Imo there is no legimate reason for such an error by the officials.

 

[mattcity5]

Clearly that was incompetence. Casimero went down as if he'd been the one fouled, and the ref obviously guessed that he was nearer the ball, so was probably fouled.

I am amazed that it's become a certain red on these pages though - there's no way that's given as a red in most games. Bernardo would be up there with Richard Dunne for sendings off if it was. It's a definite yellow, but I think it's yellow enough to be overturned if the ref had given a red on the field.

Yeah, the ref has thought Casemiro has stepped across and got his body inbetween Akanji and the ball and then been fouled. Clearly that's not the case, but Casemiro's acting managed to deceive the ref who probably reacted too quickly if anything.

The worst thing about var in this situation is that they can check to see if it's a red card, decide to leave it as it was a yellow (in their opinion), but then still leave united with the freekick. It's ludicrous.

Fuck 'clear and obvious', just fix the decision.

 

[bluenova]

I wasn't arguing that the incident should have resulted in a red or yellow card, but that Casimero was the player committing the foul, despite the free kick being given in united's favour.

Imo there is no legimate reason for such an error by the officials.

Hence why I picked incompetence from your list of reasons. VAR looked at a potential red, which means they flagged up the error to the ref, but there's nothing else they can do. Casemiro, was snide, and bought that. When I saw it live, I thought it was a foul by Akanji, so I'll give the ref the benefit (although I'd hope most of the time, they're better than me).

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Hence why I picked incompetence from your list of reasons. VAR looked at a potential red, which means they flagged up the error to the ref, but there's nothing else they can do. Casemiro, was snide, and bought that. When I saw it live, I thought it was a foul by Akanji, so I'll give the ref the benefit (although I'd hope most of the time, they're better than me).

Sorry but I have absolutely no idea how you could see that incident as a foul by Akanji !!

 

[bluenova]

Yeah, the ref has thought Casemiro has stepped across and got his body inbetween Akanji and the ball and then been fouled. Clearly that's not the case, but Casemiro's acting managed to deceive the ref who probably reacted too quickly if anything.

The worst thing about var in this situation is that they can check to see if it's a red card, decide to leave it as it was a yellow (in their opinion), but then still leave united with the freekick. It's ludicrous.

Fuck 'clear and obvious', just fix the decision.

I understand it looks daft - but you don't want VAR intervening on every yellow/foul as there are many times more per match. If you then say they can overturn a yellow/foul etc., but only if they *think* there might have been a red card offence then you're opening up a whole new can of worms.

Some on here would have another angle for the grand conspiracy ;)

 

[bluenova]

Sorry but I have absolutely no idea how you could see that incident as a foul by Akanji !!

Because the ref gets to see it once at full speed. From the angle he's looking, Akanji has overhit the ball, which he did, and Casemiro would look to have his right foot close to play the ball. Akanji is definitely stretching to get there, and so if the ref can't see the contact exactly, the fact that Casemiro pretends he's been hurt, it's a reasonable decision, even if totally wrong.

It's only when you look at the replay/other angles does it become absolutely clear, but you can see how the ref might have made a mistake at full speed.

 

[mattcity5]

I understand it looks daft - but you don't want VAR intervening on every yellow/foul as there are many times more per match. If you then say they can overturn a yellow/foul etc., but only if they *think* there might have been a red card offence then you're opening up a whole new can of worms.

Some on here would have another angle for the grand conspiracy ;)

Yeah true enough. Sticking with a wrong decision after having checked for a red card seems a bit mad though. Imagine if they'd lumped the freekick upfield and scored from it.

I go back to var just not working how it's currently set up.

Instead get back to proper reffing and give each team 1 review per match. You can use it for anything you think is incorrect, if you're right you keep it, if you're wrong that's your appeal gone. If there's a review, the ref goes to the screen and has a proper look at it and decides based on that.

 

[edinburgh123]

I'd go the opposite way - almost all handballs aren't worth a penalty, so unless it's a really obvious one, no penalty.

But that is the problem. I agree in theory - but as long as you have subjectivity then we will lose out. Make it black and white with no possibility for anybody to say "in my opinion" - cos as long as you have opinions you have corruption

 

[dadnlad]

What is to stop attacking players purposely smashing the ball at defenders in the hope it hits their hand/arm?

It will become an absolute farce (even more than it is now).

liverpool got one in champions league final ?

 

[dadnlad]

Hence why I picked incompetence from your list of reasons. VAR looked at a potential red, which means they flagged up the error to the ref, but there's nothing else they can do. Casemiro, was snide, and bought that. When I saw it live, I thought it was a foul by Akanji, so I'll give the ref the benefit (although I'd hope most of the time, they're better than me).

they give thr BS not there to re-ref the game
best get out clause
subjective lol

 

[city2]

Even with var on their side these ugly corrupt fuckers still can’t beat us.

 

[bluenova]

But that is the problem. I agree in theory - but as long as you have subjectivity then we will lose out. Make it black and white with no possibility for anybody to say "in my opinion" - cos as long as you have opinions you have corruption

Sure - but the harder it is to give them, the less subjective decisions. I think handball penalties should be very rare - if we're talking a handful a season across the whole Premier League then less chance of there being a dodgy one.

 

[Cassandra]

How far away was the linesman from this ?

The fourth official had the reverse view from the referee, uninterrupted and about 10m away.
you might have thought that an intelligent referee who cared about getting the decision right, when hearing that VAR was reviewing for a possible red card for Casemiro, would have reacted. He should have made a show of going over to the fourth official and then reversing his decision to at least give the free kick City’s way. VAR couldn’t intervene directly but the referee is allowed to consult with the fourth official and change his mind. By not doing so he has made himself look like a fool or worse.