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JoeMercer'sWay
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If I could have it completely up to me:
Maicon
Joleon Lescott
Samir Nasri
Edin Dzeko
Scott Sinclair
Aleksandar Kolarov
Javi Garcia
Jack Rodwell
Gareth Barry
Kolo Toure
Carlos Tevez.
In: 1 World Class CB, 1 back-up CB, 1 LB(Baines), 1 Holding midfielder(cleaning up, good tackler and can get play moving the opposite way quickly and confidently, 1 deep lying playmaker(can split defenses with 40/50 yard balls that are precise either aerial or on the ground), 1 attacking playmaker(that can score goals, thread balls, is agile and really good on the ball, to compliment and put pressure on Silva to buck his ideas up and move to the next level, 2 wingers(pacy, skillful, good on the ball, good delivery and can finish, 1 world class striker(Falcao), 1 support striker(clinical, good technically with good touch and team play, quite pacy).
Think it would be brave but doable, call it FM if you want but I just think it's ruthless and putting the squad into the long term right direction with better quality, depth and balance. There are players cruising/not making enough effort/not suited to us/past their best and a cull would just be the most efficient way to do it, may hurt the start of next season but over a 5 year period I think we would reap the rewards of being bold.
Maicon
Joleon Lescott
Samir Nasri
Edin Dzeko
Scott Sinclair
Aleksandar Kolarov
Javi Garcia
Jack Rodwell
Gareth Barry
Kolo Toure
Carlos Tevez.
In: 1 World Class CB, 1 back-up CB, 1 LB(Baines), 1 Holding midfielder(cleaning up, good tackler and can get play moving the opposite way quickly and confidently, 1 deep lying playmaker(can split defenses with 40/50 yard balls that are precise either aerial or on the ground), 1 attacking playmaker(that can score goals, thread balls, is agile and really good on the ball, to compliment and put pressure on Silva to buck his ideas up and move to the next level, 2 wingers(pacy, skillful, good on the ball, good delivery and can finish, 1 world class striker(Falcao), 1 support striker(clinical, good technically with good touch and team play, quite pacy).
Think it would be brave but doable, call it FM if you want but I just think it's ruthless and putting the squad into the long term right direction with better quality, depth and balance. There are players cruising/not making enough effort/not suited to us/past their best and a cull would just be the most efficient way to do it, may hurt the start of next season but over a 5 year period I think we would reap the rewards of being bold.
mgreenz97
Well-Known Member
JoeMercer'sWay said:If I could have it completely up to me:
Maicon
Joleon Lescott
Samir Nasri
Edin Dzeko
Scott Sinclair
Aleksandar Kolarov
Javi Garcia
Jack Rodwell
Gareth Barry
Kolo Toure
Carlos Tevez.
In: 1 World Class CB, 1 back-up CB, 1 LB(Baines), 1 Holding midfielder(cleaning up, good tackler and can get play moving the opposite way quickly and confidently, 1 deep lying playmaker(can split defenses with 40/50 yard balls that are precise either aerial or on the ground), 1 attacking playmaker(that can score goals, thread balls, is agile and really good on the ball, to compliment and put pressure on Silva to buck his ideas up and move to the next level, 2 wingers(pacy, skillful, good on the ball, good delivery and can finish, 1 world class striker(Falcao), 1 support striker(clinical, good technically with good touch and team play, quite pacy).
Think it would be brave but doable, call it FM if you want but I just think it's ruthless and putting the squad into the long term right direction with better quality, depth and balance. There are players cruising/not making enough effort/not suited to us/past their best and a cull would just be the most efficient way to do it, may hurt the start of next season but over a 5 year period I think we would reap the rewards of being bold.
This right here, is ridiculous.
kabuverdimcfc
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3-5-2
Rodwell shouldn't be sold, you can't just discard such a promising young player after a season because of injuries. He is an investment we should persist with, we'd get about £7million if we sold him because he is so injury prone right now, but if he shakes off his injuries like Gerrard did we could have a £20million+ midfielder. He has most of the attributes of a top midfielder and deserves some time.
JoeMercer'sWay
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LoveCity said:Rodwell shouldn't be sold, you can't just discard such a promising young player after a season because of injuries. He was an investment we should persist with, we'd get about £7million if we sold him because he is so injury prone right now, but if he shakes off his injuries like Gerrard did we could have a £20million+ midfielder. He has most of the attributes of a top midfielder and deserves some time.
sell him to Liverpool he'd fit in with Henderson and Downing.
mgreenz97
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Selling Rodwell now would be stupid.
We'd get nothing for him and his wage isn't high so what exactly would we be gaining.
We have to wait and see if he can sort out his injuries, because if he does he'll be a fantastic player (which he already is).
We'd get nothing for him and his wage isn't high so what exactly would we be gaining.
We have to wait and see if he can sort out his injuries, because if he does he'll be a fantastic player (which he already is).
JoeMercer'sWay
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mgreenz97 said:Selling Rodwell now would be stupid.
We'd get nothing for him and his wage isn't high so what exactly would we be gaining.
We have to wait and see if he can sort out his injuries, because if he does he'll be a fantastic player (which he already is).
in no way, unless running about a lot off the ball is deemed a key part of football, is Jack Rodwell fantastic.
He's young and English and tries which has built up this crescendo of hype especially because deep down we all know how inadequate our midfield is and therefore it's reaching Michael Johnson proportions(who at least when fit could pass, tackle, dribble and score). The only traits he shares with the aforementioned MJ is the love of the treatment table.
Jack Rodwell may, if he gets a hamstring transplant end up a decent, squad player, as cover. James Milner offers more as a CM and he gets shifted out to the right wing.
mgreenz97
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JoeMercer'sWay said:mgreenz97 said:Selling Rodwell now would be stupid.
We'd get nothing for him and his wage isn't high so what exactly would we be gaining.
We have to wait and see if he can sort out his injuries, because if he does he'll be a fantastic player (which he already is).
in no way, unless running about a lot off the ball is deemed a key part of football, is Jack Rodwell fantastic.
He's young and English and tries which has built up this crescendo of hype especially because deep down we all know how inadequate our midfield is and therefore it's reaching Michael Johnson proportions(who at least when fit could pass, tackle, dribble and score). The only traits he shares with the aforementioned MJ is the love of the treatment table.
Jack Rodwell may, if he gets a hamstring transplant end up a decent, squad player, as cover. James Milner offers more as a CM and he gets shifted out to the right wing.
I think that Rodwell's performance against Chelsea showed how good he was.
When/If he sorts our these injuries he'll be better (IMO) than Milner.
JoeMercer'sWay
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mgreenz97 said:JoeMercer'sWay said:mgreenz97 said:Selling Rodwell now would be stupid.
We'd get nothing for him and his wage isn't high so what exactly would we be gaining.
We have to wait and see if he can sort out his injuries, because if he does he'll be a fantastic player (which he already is).
in no way, unless running about a lot off the ball is deemed a key part of football, is Jack Rodwell fantastic.
He's young and English and tries which has built up this crescendo of hype especially because deep down we all know how inadequate our midfield is and therefore it's reaching Michael Johnson proportions(who at least when fit could pass, tackle, dribble and score). The only traits he shares with the aforementioned MJ is the love of the treatment table.
Jack Rodwell may, if he gets a hamstring transplant end up a decent, squad player, as cover. James Milner offers more as a CM and he gets shifted out to the right wing.
I think that Rodwell's performance against Chelsea showed how good he was.
When/If he sorts our these injuries he'll be better (IMO) than Milner.
he gave away stupid fouls, missed 4 simple chances in the 6 yard box or around that area and largely passed it sideways.
His biggest skill so far, and fair enough to him, is that unlike many of our other players he will make an effort and run into space and draw players with him creating space.
When he starts putting those other aspects in his game and even beginning to deliver on the massive hype that's suddenly engulfed him then I'll start to give him the credit he'll deserve. At the moment I haven't seen anything other than the very briefest glimpse in either his Everton days or with us that suggests a) he's good enough to be a regular here and b) that we don't need 2 or 3 additions to our squad for the centre of the midfield, additions that will take us back to winning the league and challenging in Europe with precise, class skills, technique, ability and other traits Jack doesn't offer us.
He comes across as a nice lad and he does work hard, and it's not his fault but I can't help but look at him and Garcia and go "signing you two and not A-list targets is a major contributor to why we're not challenging for the title and out of Europe". United get away with a weaker central midfield than the top European sides because they employ fast, skillful wingers, they play a different style. We play a passing game and don't have the players in the centre of the park to make it work, Rodwell isn't that kind of player or at least as yet has not shown any sign of being such. As a player to bring on or to use in a game where the centre of the park is tight or the opposition play deep and we need a worker to create space then he'll probably be a good shout, but until he proves otherwise I just don't see him or Garcia as good enough to be in our central midfield, not with the ambition we're meant to have as a football club.
To be honest out of the list I gave given contract length, performances, effort etc. he's the only one who I think anyone could honestly say you could debate leaving the club. I just think he's too injury prone and even if he does have in him what we need and does have that ability to step up 2/3 levels I just think his injuries will keep niggling him and I don't think he's a special enough talent as he hasn't shown at Everton or here that he's anything other than decent, the odds certainly aren't in his favour and I don't think he can be relied upon, and if we added the required quality and strength to our midfield where would he even fit, I think he would just end up another Sinclair and don't see where he would feature.