Wilfried Bony

[bluechampion7891]

I would expect the timing of payment to be irrelevant for FFP: you do not normally account for things on a cash basis i.e. if you buy the player's registration the full fee has to be accounted for upon purchase not when payment is made. Entering into a loan deal with an option to buy would be different but even then it might depend on whether or not City have the option not to buy. I think the safest option with respect to FFP would be City paying a large loan fee with an option to buy that Swansea and the player cannot prevent City from exercising. Swansea / Bony's protection would be that it would be daft for City to pay that much for the loan and not exercise the buy option but it ought to provide enough doubt for City not to have to account for a purchase now at the full fee; they might though have to expense the full loan fee in the current year though so they would not want it too high.

And, if it wasn't clear, I think we should go for Bony in this window. I would caveat that by saying that I would prefer Cavani but think that would be a much more difficult deal for City to pull off in this window. I also don't think having Bony now would preclude us going for Cavani in the summer; especially as I can see one or both of Jovetic and Dzeko going in the summer. Having Cavani, Bony and Aguero as our three main strikers next season would be excellent in my view.

too many players demanding playing time unless we are playing 442

You think Pellegrini is going to abandon 2 upfront?

I dont see him doing it, no.

But personally, I would like Silva to be used in his best position. I also believe Cavani is overated - I know Zlatan has caused him to play out wide but there were many instances when Cavani got a stretch of games as CF due to Zlatan's injuries but his record is not that great. He also plays in an inferior league and his wages+transfer fee IMO is better used elsewhere - CM, LW

 

[sam-caddick]

I still believe come next season we will still have just the three strikers, but I think we are looking at Bony now to get him in without the inevitable bidding war in the summer, for me Bony will replace one of Jovetic or Dzeko who will be sold in the summer in my opinion.

 

[bluechampion7891]

I still believe come next season we will still have just the three strikers, but I think we are looking at Bony now to get him in without the inevitable bidding war in the summer, for me Bony will replace one of Jovetic or Dzeko who will be sold in the summer in my opinion.

yep - I feel like we need an aggressive CF, someone who can bully defenders and Dzeko is not that.

Also, Jovetic is more like a forward player than a proper striker. I feel any team needs 3 proper strikers who can lead the line on their own. Jovetic is replaceable too - I would much prefer to have a pacy dribbler in his place who doesnt spend half the time injured

 

[Barcon]

Seeing as how people on here are saying that we would not be be signing him because of the current injury crisis, but we would be signing him as our second choice striker, regardless of the ACON situation. Are the same people also of the opinion that if we were to sign a striker as back up to Sergio, or to play along with Sergio, that Bony is the player that they would choose?

 

[sam-caddick]

I still believe come next season we will still have just the three strikers, but I think we are looking at Bony now to get him in without the inevitable bidding war in the summer, for me Bony will replace one of Jovetic or Dzeko who will be sold in the summer in my opinion.

yep - I feel like we need an aggressive CF, someone who can bully defenders and Dzeko is not that.

Also, Jovetic is more like a forward player than a proper striker. I feel any team needs 3 proper strikers who can lead the line on their own. Jovetic is replaceable too - I would much prefer to have a pacy dribbler in his place who doesnt spend half the time injured

I think Jovetic has until the end of the season to prove his fitness or he will be sold. He is a good promising player but we are not in a position where we can put up with his injuries.

Dzeko, whilst being a great player and match winner for us, looks to me like his time at City is coming to and end and that a refreshment in his position is needed now.

Dzeko when fit will get you 20-25 goals in all competions in a season and whist I don't see Bony getting much more than that I think he will offer a better physical presence up front, a better first touch and link up play than Dzeko would.

Imagine an opposition defence having to deal with Bony and then all of a sudden Aguero comes in to play and they have to deal with him...

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Seeing as how people on here are saying that we would not be be signing him because of the current injury crisis, but we would be signing him as our second choice striker, regardless of the ACON situation. Are the same people also of the opinion that if we were to sign a striker as back up to Sergio, or to play along with Sergio, that Bony is the player that they would choose?

I'm more than happy with his ability,especially given the quality we have,and will improve upon......in our midfield.They could make a very formidable partnership.

 

[sam-caddick]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

I am kind of hoping that if we do indeed want Bony we go for him early and try and get him for the reported £25m.

I just think Berahino is going to he sold for similar money this window and I that happens before we move for Bony, Swansea could easily demand £40m.

 

[MeatHunterrr]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

I am kind of hoping that if we do indeed want Bony we go for him early and try and get him for the reported £25m.

I just think Berahino is going to he sold for similar money this window and I that happens before we move for Bony, Swansea could easily demand £40m.

They can't demand £40m, considering Bony has a release clause of £30m.

 

[Big Dave Watson]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

At last, sense.

 

[Damocles]

Doesn't really add up for me. The only strikers I can think that were anywhere close to Bony in play style that Txiki has ever bought was Negredo, and even that seemed like a rough option.

He buys people like Eto'o, Saviola, Gudjohnsen, Ezquerro and latterly Henry. All of which are pacey strikers with great movement and enjoy running the flanks, none of which are that big man powerhouse that Bony is.

I actually rate Bony and would like him here but I'm puzzled at why Txiki is making such a huge departure from his normal and previously successful M.O. when the last time he did it in Negredo didn't end up well.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

I am kind of hoping that if we do indeed want Bony we go for him early and try and get him for the reported £25m.

I just think Berahino is going to he sold for similar money this window and I that happens before we move for Bony, Swansea could easily demand £40m.

I fear you may be correct on your final point.

It will be now or never for Bony this window re City.

What people are perhaps failing to account for is the entire landscape of the Premier League has changed with this new TV deal.

Average clubs can now afford to shop at Harrods if they think it will keep them up.

 

[Maine Road 1923]

I keep reading that we will be okay for strikers after the African cup of nations ends therefore we won't require the services of Bony. If we could be guaranteed Sergio will not break down again I would be assured by such observations but am worried he'll suffer a reoccurrence of his injury leaving us in real trouble. We cannot hang our hopes on dzeko I'm afraid, and no doubt there will be another blade of grass waiting for jovetic to trip over shortly. We have to buy this guy, it's a no brainer.

 

[hgblue]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

I am kind of hoping that if we do indeed want Bony we go for him early and try and get him for the reported £25m.

I just think Berahino is going to he sold for similar money this window and I that happens before we move for Bony, Swansea could easily demand £40m.

I fear you may be correct on your final point.

It will be now or never for Bony this window re City.

What people are perhaps failing to account for is the entire landscape of the Premier League has changed with this new TV deal.

Average clubs can now afford to shop at Harrods if they think it will keep them up.

If City are interested you can bet your life Bony will know all about it. If Bony knows all about it and Swansea dig their heels in, they're going to have one pissed off footballer on their hands when he returns from the ACON.

 

[Ray78]

Doesn't really add up for me. The only strikers I can think that were anywhere close to Bony in play style that Txiki has ever bought was Negredo, and even that seemed like a rough option.

He buys people like Eto'o, Saviola, Gudjohnsen, Ezquerro and latterly Henry. All of which are pacey strikers with great movement and enjoy running the flanks, none of which are that big man powerhouse that Bony is.

I actually rate Bony and would like him here but I'm puzzled at why Txiki is making such a huge departure from his normal and previously successful M.O. when the last time he did it in Negredo didn't end up well.

Bony could of been recommended by Txiki's old mate Laudrup as a transfer target.

 

[MCFC4EVR]

Some of the revisionism on this thread is of Champions League quality.

Apparently City were short-sighted selling Negredo, despite the fact he would not be available until the end of November with a broken foot?

And it would be equally short-sighted to buy a better player in Bony because he will not be available for the next month?

They are talking £20m upwards for the kid Berahino at West Brom.

Bony is the best available striker of his price in all of Europe at present.

I am kind of hoping that if we do indeed want Bony we go for him early and try and get him for the reported £25m.

I just think Berahino is going to he sold for similar money this window and I that happens before we move for Bony, Swansea could easily demand £40m.

They can't demand £40m, considering Bony has a release clause of £30m.

From what I've read recently he has no release clause in the contract he recently signed, he reportedly had a £19m clause which was removed
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/31/swansea-refuse-to-rule-out-selling-wifried-bony

 

[bondsman]

There are surely better players available for the same or slightly more money. Feels like a panic buy and I'd rather we spent more for a player like Reus or Benteke.

 

[Ray78]

There are surely better players available for the same or slightly more money. Feels like a panic buy and I'd rather we spent more for a player like Reus or Benteke.

That would of been a panic buy imho.

 

[blueparrot]

Doesn't really add up for me. The only strikers I can think that were anywhere close to Bony in play style that Txiki has ever bought was Negredo, and even that seemed like a rough option.

He buys people like Eto'o, Saviola, Gudjohnsen, Ezquerro and latterly Henry. All of which are pacey strikers with great movement and enjoy running the flanks, none of which are that big man powerhouse that Bony is.

I actually rate Bony and would like him here but I'm puzzled at why Txiki is making such a huge departure from his normal and previously successful M.O. when the last time he did it in Negredo didn't end up well.

It could just be that Txiki has seen enough of the premier league to realize that for some games you need the plan b of a more physical center forward.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Doesn't really add up for me. The only strikers I can think that were anywhere close to Bony in play style that Txiki has ever bought was Negredo, and even that seemed like a rough option.

He buys people like Eto'o, Saviola, Gudjohnsen, Ezquerro and latterly Henry. All of which are pacey strikers with great movement and enjoy running the flanks, none of which are that big man powerhouse that Bony is.

I actually rate Bony and would like him here but I'm puzzled at why Txiki is making such a huge departure from his normal and previously successful M.O. when the last time he did it in Negredo didn't end up well.

I don't want to be laughed out of town here, and let me be clear, he's not in the same stratosphere...

I had thought Txiki did the Ibra deal to Barca, for which he was ridiculed because of the price and Eto'o going on to win the Champs League with Inter?

I remember Ibra being a big success at Barca, to the point he had put Messi's nose out of joint?

What I'm trying to suggest is Bony, like Ibra, is something of a staging post player.

He's the go-to guy to utilise their unique strength, letting the smaller and trickier players run up the barricades and scale the castle walls?

For Messi, read Aguero, and I start to see the reasoning for Bony.

Rather than 442 - recent weeks have shown all we need is people running beyond the traditional midfield placings, pulling people all over the place.

If Bony can be the tip of the spear, with Aguero running around and beyond him, I would consider it a potent 451.

Very Barca-esque in fact.

The other plus being Bony really does defend from the front.