He's had more intensive runs because Bayern are always on the ball and therefore have more energy to be able to include more sprints into their play.
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He's had more intensive runs because Bayern are always on the ball and therefore have more energy to be able to include more sprints into their play.
kippaxblue76
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Yaya looks up for it and that can only be a good thing.
evianglass
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You might be surprised but Alonso often runs more than 12 km a match and has more than 60 intensive runs. Very good values.
no he doesn't... have you watched Bayern... their forwards yes but Alonso is the relayer he usually slots in as a 3rd center back when they have the ball from the back and he rarely crosses the center line... yes he makes himself available for the ball all the time and that's what Yaya does for us... I watch Bayern all the time... Alonso does NOT do 60 intensive runs per game... that's laughable...
Tugay One Cup
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He's had more intensive runs because Bayern are always on the ball and therefore have more energy to be able to include more sprints into their play.
But then surely that backs up what I said? It's not a case of Bayern players having more energy because they're always on the ball, it's about them always having the ball because of their energy to always look for space as well winning the ball back through constant pressing and pressure.
But then surely that backs up what I said? It's not a case of Bayern players having more energy because they're always on the ball, it's about them always having the ball because of their energy to constantly look for space as well winning the ball back through constant pressing and pressure.
Ball retention massively helps, his stats are way off on Alonso btw as the poster above you has stated. Pressure and pressing is only one half of the game, Yaya rarely loses the ball because of his ability to keep it in tight spaces. Yaya's technical abilities could easily see him play the Alonso role, where he can trigger attacks, fill in an the back and shoot from range/push on when we need a goal. Its almost like having 3 centre backs on the pitch, pushing the full backs on to get involved in the attacks. Yaya is at his best when we have possession and we will dominate possession when Pep comes.
evianglass
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But then surely that backs up what I said? It's not a case of Bayern players having more energy because they're always on the ball, it's about them always having the ball because of their energy to always look for space as well winning the ball back through constant pressing and pressure.
agree. with Bayern the forwards (Muller/Costa/Robben/Lewa etc..) and of course Vidal and whoever else plays in the middle with him press high with the fullbacks tucked in as extra midfield... Alonso drops just below the pressing to sweep up just like a libero... Alonso is rarely part of the pressing... believe me Yaya will be perfect for that role if Pep chooses to play like that... now whether that will happen or not is another story... i sure hope he finds a place for him...
evianglass
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Ball retention massively helps, his stats are way off on Alonso btw as the poster above you has stated. Pressure and pressing is only one half of the game, Yaya rarely loses the ball because of his ability to keep it in tight spaces. Yaya's technical abilities could easily see him play the Alonso role, where he can trigger attacks, fill in an the back and shoot from range/push on when we need a goal. Its almost like having 3 centre backs on the pitch, pushing the full backs on to get involved in the attacks. Yaya is at his best when we have possession and we will dominate possession when Pep comes.
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Tugay One Cup
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agree. with Bayern the forwards (Muller/Costa/Robben/Lewa etc..) and of course Vidal and whoever else plays in the middle with him press high with the fullbacks tucked in as extra midfield... Alonso drops just below the pressing to sweep up just like a libero... Alonso is rarely part of the pressing... believe me Yaya will be perfect for that role if Pep chooses to play like that... now whether that will happen or not is another story... i sure hope he finds a place for him...
That makes sense. It's like I said earlier, if Pep wants to keep Yaya, he will play a different version of a holding midfielder than the role he's been crowbarred into over the past two seasons. Right now he's expected to bring the play forward and then have to deal with the counter attacks that occur when we lose the ball and I think that's a lot to expect from any player.
no he doesn't... have you watched Bayern... their forwards yes but Alonso is the relayer he usually slots in as a 3rd center back when they have the ball from the back and he rarely crosses the center line... yes he makes himself available for the ball all the time and that's what Yaya does for us... I watch Bayern all the time... Alonso does NOT do 60 intensive runs per game... that's laughable...
Why do you tell me that if the homepage of Bundesliga.de tells me different? And Bayern has all kind of matches in which Alonso has different roles depending who he plays with. Today he e.g. had 19 sprints, 50 intensive runs - the one in midfield who does not have the big running data is Thiago, not Alonso. When Alonso is playing with Vidal and Müller he is running less than when he plays with Thiago. Against Wolfsburg last weekend he had 69 intensive runs.
Maybe it looks sometimes different in matches - but the data pages just tell me different.
Ball retention massively helps, his stats are way off on Alonso btw as the poster above you has stated. Pressure and pressing is only one half of the game, Yaya rarely loses the ball because of his ability to keep it in tight spaces. Yaya's technical abilities could easily see him play the Alonso role, where he can trigger attacks, fill in an the back and shoot from range/push on when we need a goal. Its almost like having 3 centre backs on the pitch, pushing the full backs on to get involved in the attacks. Yaya is at his best when we have possession and we will dominate possession when Pep comes.
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evianglass
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Why do you tell me that if the homepage of Bundesliga.de tells me different? And Bayern has all kind of matches in which Alonso has different roles depending who he plays with. Today he e.g. had 19 sprints, 50 intensive runs - the one in midfield who does not have the big running data is Thiago, not Alonso. When Alonso is playing with Vidal and Müller he is running less than when he plays with Thiago. Against Wolfsburg last weekend he had 69 intensive runs.
Maybe it looks sometimes different in matches - but the data pages just tell me different.
so you are telling me that the player (Alonso) today that cramped up so badly towards the end of the game that he had to be replaced did 19 sprints and 50 intensive runs... how are the intensive runs defined? i am genuinely asking because what Alonso does i really do not call intensive or sprint (he was never known for sprinting by the way)....
wether we disagree on how intense he gets i promise you that Yaya can do whatever Alonso does then some...
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Glad there is a thread on yaya for how he actually is..
Often looks like he can't be arsed but he looked like that just as he scored that wonderful third at Kiev. He can do things no other footballer in the PL can and make it look like a stroll in the park, the guy is gifted. Often shoots and hits second tier or passes and goes for a throwing, but then that inch perfect pass that gifts a player with an almost open goal that splits defenders.. He sometimes grabs the game by the scruff as though to say the ball is going in the net regardless of how it gets there, and it generally ends up there !
Name a player in the world that looks at the team sheet when playing against city and sees yaya's name on it and thinks "this will be an easy game"...... Like hens teeth !
Often looks like he can't be arsed but he looked like that just as he scored that wonderful third at Kiev. He can do things no other footballer in the PL can and make it look like a stroll in the park, the guy is gifted. Often shoots and hits second tier or passes and goes for a throwing, but then that inch perfect pass that gifts a player with an almost open goal that splits defenders.. He sometimes grabs the game by the scruff as though to say the ball is going in the net regardless of how it gets there, and it generally ends up there !
Name a player in the world that looks at the team sheet when playing against city and sees yaya's name on it and thinks "this will be an easy game"...... Like hens teeth !
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I'll leave the off the field stuff aside, when he plays like he did today he is a colossus, I suppose the most frustrating thing for me is when he doesn't show up. You know it's there, but for reasons I can't fathom he keeps it for himself.
He seems to have a knack for doing it when it matters most. To give him credit, he's been a major player on the pitch for us. He is truly world class.
He seems to have a knack for doing it when it matters most. To give him credit, he's been a major player on the pitch for us. He is truly world class.
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He probably want to go in the summer like every summer but actually for real this time and he is getting older. One of these clubs will offer him super money to go and that way he doesn't play for a rivalKeep him
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Today's performance illustrated how much he was missed at Clanfield - especially when he is in the mood
No it doesn't. I looked up at the score board and at times we had 70 to 80% possession. When we have the ball he's good. He might not have the surging runs to break up a back 4, but he has the passing and shooting.Today's performance illustrated how much he was missed at Clanfield - especially when he is in the mood
In the big games he's more a liability as his inability to close opponents down when we don't have the ball hurts us. We end up having to use players like Fernandinho in defensive roles, or Fernando to cover him
The difference between City v weak sides like Villa etc who we routinely put away, and the better teams like Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester etc is stark. All comes down to our midfield. Yaya has physically declined and we don't seem to have anyone who can come in.
City have the best record against teams in the bottom half of the league, and the worst record against the top half. All down to the inability of our midfield to close opponents down.
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I think we sometimes try and close opponents down when it would be better to sit a little. Fernandinho did it quite a lot yesterday and as a result, Villa's attackers got into some dangerous situations. Same with Otamendi in general.No it doesn't. I looked up at the score board and at times we had 70 to 80% possession. When we have the ball he's good. He might not have the surging runs to break up a back 4, but he has the passing and shooting.
In the big games he's more a liability as his inability to close opponents down when we don't have the ball hurts us. We end up having to use players like Fernandinho in defensive roles, or Fernando to cover him
The difference between City v weak sides like Villa etc who we routinely put away, and the better teams like Liverpool, Spurs, Leicester etc is stark. All comes down to our midfield. Yaya has physically declined and we don't seem to have anyone who can come in.
City have the best record against teams in the bottom half of the league, and the worst record against the top half. All down to the inability of our midfield to close opponents down.
I just think we either press as a team or we don't press as a team, but if we don't press, we can't try and play offside on the edge of the box.
so you are telling me that the player (Alonso) today that cramped up so badly towards the end of the game that he had to be replaced did 19 sprints and 50 intensive runs... how are the intensive runs defined? i am genuinely asking because what Alonso does i really do not call intensive or sprint (he was never known for sprinting by the way)....
wether we disagree on how intense he gets i promise you that Yaya can do whatever Alonso does then some...
I just can tell you to look into the bundesliga.de webpage and look into the matches - maybe see it in comparison with other midfielders. Opta or Impire give in addition to the normal tracking the number of fast runs - and devides them into intensive runs and sprints. The difference for this two is the speed in which they are taken. I look at this data since years - from Bayern and other Bundesliga teams. Yes, Alonso might be less mobile than Müller, Alaba or Vidal - but he for sure beats Thiago and Kroos.
Here are e.g. the sprints he took yesterday - all of them backwards.
http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga/ma...#/match:160810/player:25960/filter:sprint_all
The Fat el Hombre
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Need him on board if we are gonna win the tile. He looked good yesterday and worked had. Encouraging
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