Oleks Zinchenko - 2018/19 Performances

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He's a footballer. Positional changes happen frequently. He doesn't really have a best position
BimboBob said:
Team sheet or not he's not a fucking defender. He filled in as one last season because Pep asked him to, good for the team etc etc, but Pep has said himself, not a defender. NOT.

According to that sheet Sane is a forward. Just goes to show...
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ChicagoBlue said:
I believe every player has a “best” position. His is clearly midfield.
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For city, it's left back. But I agree with you. Were stacked at wing and attacking mid. He offers a skillet at left back that may be valued by a number of clubs. If he has his heart set on playing attacking mid, he should leave sooner rather than later.
 
Dax777 said:
Ian Cheeseman (@IanCheeseman) Tweeted:
Tonight’s team sheet #ManCity https://t.co/5YwWHyLSZL


You probably should take up your 'Twat issues' with Pep. It's his team sheet not mine.
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Yes it's a good job he had those little letters, to remind him where people play. He fucked up and played Bolton in the wrong place.

Jesus H Christ.
 
Bpughh said:
For city, it's left back. But I agree with you. Were stacked at wing and attacking mid. He offers a skillet at left back that may be valued by a number of clubs. If he has his heart set on playing attacking mid, he should leave sooner rather than later.
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I imagine he'll be encouraged by Pep mentioning him as a possible def mid (although that's not his position either).
 
asaluttar said:
Just to be clear, did I get you right, is his best position midfield?
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No, midfield.

I'm not convinced we need him and Douglas Luiz in the squad, unless they've been told they won't play much and are happy with that.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I don't need to. The manager has clearly stated that Zinchenko is not a defender.

Why do you have to be such a twat ?

https://www.mancity.com/teams/first-team
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domalino said:
You think Pep prints out the teamsheet and designates each player as defender, midfielder or forward?

A teamsheet with a D next to Zinchenko's name doesn't trump Pep himself saying he is not a defender
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No point in debating with him. Dax said that Zinchenko has world class potential at LB. Says it’s all really..
 
He's 21. He has Pep guiding him and he's a very bright footballer so I imagine he wants to secure that CM position which is clearly a much more prized role than LB imo
 
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No point in debating with him. Dax said that Zinchenko has world class potential at LB. Says it’s all really..
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Tbf everyone has right & wrong opinions on players & sometimes can be both right & wrong abput the same player.

This though isn't actually a debatable point, as Guardiola has consistently explained that Zinchenko is a midfield player, & an attacking one, at that. No ridiculous craving for oneupmanship over the rest of the forum members, can contradict what the manager actually spells out.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Tbf everyone has right & wrong opinions on players & sometimes can be both right & wrong abput the same player.

This though isn't actually a debatable point, as Guardiola has consistently explained that Zinchenko is a midfield player, & an attacking one, at that. No ridiculous craving for oneupmanship over the rest of the forum members, can contradict what the manager actually spells out.
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Actually, on multiple occasions he has said Zee is a young player who can help us at many positions. That you guys choose to trot out only the comments he makes to protect his young project is interesting.

How often has he commented on how Zinchencko can play leftback n his system (one where we want and need to dominate possession)?... At least 3 times that I've seen

Actually you could hardly find a video discussing Zee in which he doesn't talk about how he can play multiple positions.

The issue isn't where Zee played as a youth at Ufa.. Clearly, he played AM, but since being at City, he has primarily played LB. On the sheet the squad turns in on game day, he is listed as a defender.

But sure, let's pretend it's Dax who's on a onemanupship quest. Ridiculous!
 
Easy said:
No point in debating with him. Dax said that Zinchenko has world class potential at LB. Says it’s all really..
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Yep! You truly nailed it there. You win buddy.
 
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Neville Kneville said:
Tbf everyone has right & wrong opinions on players & sometimes can be both right & wrong abput the same player.

This though isn't actually a debatable point, as Guardiola has consistently explained that Zinchenko is a midfield player, & an attacking one, at that. No ridiculous craving for oneupmanship over the rest of the forum members, can contradict what the manager actually spells out.
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I will concede that Zinchenko's best position might be attacking mid - but the larger question IMO - is where might Zinchenko play to best benefit our side?

As a versatile player, against sides where you're going to win no matter what, Zinchenko is at least a body that you can plug in to give better players a rest. If he's to play at attacking mid, this fits the mould - giving a rest to one of D. Silva, KDB, B. Silva, Mahrez, Diaz, Foden, Gundogen - all of the aforementioned are better at attacking mid even if it's not the position they normally play.

And if we're going to win or we don't care about winning play him whereever he's quasi-comfortable or potentially usable; AM, DM, LB, CB, Winger?, Other?.

But for me, although Zinchenko's natural position might not correspond with this - I think his biggest contribution to our side could be defensive mid; we're extremely short in this position, and at least Zinchenko has stamina and desire. I think he'd at the least get in the way of many attacks as a DM if not break them up. I'd prefer of course Fernandinho, Danilo, Gundogan or Delph at this position - but here he's only 5th in the depth chart as opposed to 8th at attacking mid.
 
Dax777 said:
Actually, on multiple occasions he has said Zee is a young player who can help us at many positions. That you guys choose to trot out only the comments he makes to protect his young project is interesting.

How often has he commented on how Zinchencko can play leftback n his system (one where we want and need to dominate possession)?... At least 3 times that I've seen

Actually you could hardly find a video discussing Zee in which he doesn't talk about how he can play multiple positions.

The issue isn't where Zee played as a youth at Ufa.. Clearly, he played AM, but since being at City, he has primarily played LB. On the sheet the squad turns in on game day, he is listed as a defender.

But sure, let's pretend it's Dax who's on a onemanupship quest. Ridiculous!
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You are still at it.

If Pep didn't think Zinchenko could play different positions, he wouldn't be fucking playing him in different positions.

You said the club see him as a defender, they fucking don't, as Pep.has said on numerous occasions: he is a fucking midfielder playing out of his natural position. Every fucker on here accept you, knows it. The fucking manager said so over and again but you can't shut the fuck up & accept it, because you have a bizarre need to try & be smarter than everyone else & what a waste of fucking time it all is.

Just pack it in for tucks sake.
 
Neville Kneville said:
You are still at it.

If Pep didn't think Zinchenko could play different positions, he wouldn't be fucking playing him in different positions.

You said the club see him as a defender, they fucking don't, as Pep.has said on numerous occasions: he is a fucking midfielder playing out of his natural position. Every fucker on here accept you, knows it. The fucking manager said so over and again but you can't shut the fuck up & accept it, because you have a bizarre need to try & be smarter than everyone else & what a waste of fucking time it all is.

Just pack it in for tucks sake.
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Cursing is a loser's tool. Get over yourself. If you disagree provide facts. Cursing gives you no edge.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
I will concede that Zinchenko's best position might be attacking mid - but the larger question IMO - is where might Zinchenko play to best benefit our side?

As a versatile player, against sides where you're going to win no matter what, Zinchenko is at least a body that you can plug in to give better players a rest. If he's to play at attacking mid, this fits the mould - giving a rest to one of D. Silva, KDB, B. Silva, Mahrez, Diaz, Foden, Gundogen - all of the aforementioned are better at attacking mid even if it's not the position they normally play.

And if we're going to win or we don't care about winning play him elsewhere.

But for me, although Zinchenko's natural position might not correspond with this - I think his biggest contribution to our side could be defensive mid; we're extremely short in this position, and at least Zinchenko has stamina and desire. I think he'd at the least get in the way of many attacks as a DM if not break them up. I'd prefer of course Fernandinho, Danilo, Gundogan or Delph at this position - but here he's only 5th in the depth chart as opposed to 8th at attacking mid.
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Well we'll have to see. He deserves a chance at least because he's sacrificed his game for the team. But in the end it's down to whether he's good enough in any midfield position, to get on the pitch.

Pep's assessment of him ss fullback is that 'we are in trouble if he has to defend for 90 mins' but that his decision making etc on the ball is very good. As a def mid he should in theory be less exposed defensively but will have less time to make decisions on the ball.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well we'll have to see. He deserves a chance at least because he's sacrificed his game for the team. But in the end it's down to whether he's good enough in any midfield position, to get on the pitch.

Pep's assessment of him ss fullback is that 'we are in trouble if he has to defend for 90 mins' but that his decision making etc on the ball is very good. As a def mid he should in theory be less exposed defensively but will have less time to make decisions on the ball.
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Well said - hope the lad proves himself this season. He has a fantastic attitude and I'm rooting for him.
 
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Think OZ might be my favorite player on the team from a locker room perspective. I watched most of our games two times and many of our city videos and I think what he adds has incredible value. Big big performance year round for me.

I try to stay neutral but I'll definitely be rooting for the guy.
 
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