Maybe you want an ISIS bride yourself, that’s why you want her back in the UK.
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Shamima Begum
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Maybe you want an ISIS bride yourself, that’s why you want her back in the UK.
BobKowalski
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Make up that spare room fella. Couple of teddies would be nice.
Put a lock on the cutlery drawer though;-)
So the choice is either butcher her or shack up with her. You reckon there maybe some middle ground we are skipping over?
hilts
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She was 17/18 whilst she was strapping up suicide vests.
This is when she was 19 with the Sky Reporter-
Yeah I saw it. She is a sick one that girl.
BobKowalski
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Maybe you want an ISIS bride yourself, that’s why you want her back in the UK.
Ah so now it’s violently dismember her or marry her :)
Someone has turned the hysteria level up to eleven.
hilts
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So the choice is either butcher her or shack up with her. You reckon there maybe some middle ground we are skipping over?
Never said butcher her;-) I get why you would not want her anywhere near you or your loved ones. Just put her near someone else's. Gotcha.
Ah so now it’s violently dismember her or marry her :)
Someone has turned the hysteria level up to eleven.
When asked if she made a mistake going this was her response:
In a way, yes, but I don't regret it because it's changed me as a person.
It's made me stronger, tougher. I married my husband. I wouldn't have found someone like him back in the UK.
I had my kids. I did have a good time there, it's just that at the end things got harder and I couldn't take it anymore.
It’s hysterical defending this person.
blueish swede
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Firstly, she would have to formally admit associating with and assisting a proscribed terrorist organisation. On that basis (and this really is a finger in the air job) I would say (on the basis of her serving two thirds of her sentence) somewhere in the order of 25-30 years, would severely punish her, take her youth from her, serve as a deterrent to others, but still give her the opportunity to contribute positively to society and live a significant proportion of her life beyond being released.
Unicef defines a child associated with an armed group (formerly called a child soldier) as "any person under 18 years of age who is or who has been recruited or used by an armed force or armed group in any capacity, including but not limited to… fighters, cooks, porters, messengers, spies or for sexual purposes."
By December 2017 ISIS had basically collapsed. Begum was still under 18 at that point. Considering the limited time that she could have spent in ISIS controlled territory over the age of 18 it is difficult to see her being guilty of any crime in a court.
Unicef defines a child associated with an armed group (formerly called a child soldier) as "any person under 18 years of age who is or who has been recruited or used by an armed force or armed group in any capacity, including but not limited to… fighters, cooks, porters, messengers, spies or for sexual purposes."
By December 2017 ISIS had basically collapsed. Begum was still under 18 at that point. Considering the limited time that she could have spent in ISIS controlled territory over the age of 18 it is difficult to see her being guilty of any crime in a court.
She was there right at the end of the collapse when they were on the run. She was 18 for long enough under ISIS.
When she was 19 she did the interview and I believe she hadn’t been in the camp long.
It’s terrifying to see so many willing to bend in anyway shape or form to defend this woman.
Fame Monster
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Unicef defines a child associated with an armed group (formerly called a child soldier) as "any person under 18 years of age who is or who has been recruited or used by an armed force or armed group in any capacity, including but not limited to… fighters, cooks, porters, messengers, spies or for sexual purposes."
By December 2017 ISIS had basically collapsed. Begum was still under 18 at that point. Considering the limited time that she could have spent in ISIS controlled territory over the age of 18 it is difficult to see her being guilty of any crime in a court.
Thankfully we can convict under 18s of crimes in this country otherwise it'd be like Oliver Twist.
BobKowalski
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Never said butcher her;-) I get why you would not want her anywhere near you or your loved ones. Just put her near someone else's. Gotcha.
Fairly sure my loved ones are not currently banged up in Wandsworth nick, although haven’t heard from my eighty year old mum for a few days so there is always an off chance they would be sharing a cell.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Not sure if a UNICEF definition will override the operation of English statute, otherwise any 17 year old could join a terrorist organisation carte blanche.Unicef defines a child associated with an armed group (formerly called a child soldier) as "any person under 18 years of age who is or who has been recruited or used by an armed force or armed group in any capacity, including but not limited to… fighters, cooks, porters, messengers, spies or for sexual purposes."
By December 2017 ISIS had basically collapsed. Begum was still under 18 at that point. Considering the limited time that she could have spent in ISIS controlled territory over the age of 18 it is difficult to see her being guilty of any crime in a court.
gordondaviesmoustache
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You need to man up and give your fanny a wipe.It’s terrifying to see so many willing to bend in anyway shape or form to defend this woman.
Fame Monster
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Firstly, she would have to formally admit associating with and assisting a proscribed terrorist organisation. On that basis (and this really is a finger in the air job) I would say (on the basis of her serving two thirds of her sentence) somewhere in the order of 25-30 years, would severely punish her, take her youth from her, serve as a deterrent to others, but still give her the opportunity to contribute positively to society and live a significant proportion of her life beyond being released.
I might be mistaken but isn't the maximum sentence 10 years for that? I think they'd be better off being tried for high treason (maximum life imprisonment) although whether the evidence stands up in court is a different matter.
Personally, I'd rather we just direct foreign aid to the Kurds to trial her there first before the UK get into any legal battles about her citizenship.
You need to man up and give your fanny a wipe.
Manning up is opposing ISIS and it’s followers totally and utterly.
I suggest others do the same.
BobKowalski
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It’s hysterical defending this person.
No one is defending her. Just not inclined to join in the ‘a hundred ways I would personally like to murder her’ athon.
It’s possible that I am being too nuanced but not wishing to murder her doesn’t automatically equate to a proposal of marriage.
Nebuchadnezzar
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I think she needs electrocution via radio accidentally falling into a bath.
Or, offered a free job as a TV aerial repair bloke and then send her out in the next storm.
Just trying to think of ways in which she hasn't been murdered on here yet....
Or, offered a free job as a TV aerial repair bloke and then send her out in the next storm.
Just trying to think of ways in which she hasn't been murdered on here yet....
gordondaviesmoustache
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It might be, I didn’t look it up. Assumed it would be life. Like I suggested, she’d have to plea to an offence with sufficient sentencing powers. Treason might fit the bill, although that might prove to be complicated if they’ve revoked her citizenship. There’s plenty of common law offences out there; I’m sure some silk who’s (even) smarter than me can conjure something up!I might be mistaken but isn't the maximum sentence 10 years for that? I think they'd be better off being tried for high treason (maximum life imprisonment) although whether the evidence stands up in court is a different matter.
Personally, I'd rather we just direct foreign aid to the Kurds to trial her there first before the UK get into any legal battles about her citizenship.
blueish swede
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Not sure if a UNICEF definition will override the operation of English statute, otherwise any 17 year old could join a terrorist organisation carte blanche.
If they are going to try her for specific crimes the UK would need to produce (as you intimated earlier) evidence. If they try to convict on a more general "being a member of..." or "collaborating with..." charge they would need to show that her actions after she entered Syria were voluntary. Eve if she travelled to Syria voluntarily, ISIS being what it was, it would be very difficult to prove beyond doubt that there was no coercion, especially considering her age and the definition I quoted above.
purplenose
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She has admitted it on camera to be fair.
The minute her defence in a British court it would be discredited along the lines of the statement having being given without legal guidance or under duress.
There should be one outcome and one only for anyone who has helped or supported ISIS.
No one is defending her. Just not inclined to join in the ‘a hundred ways I would personally like to murder her’ athon.
It’s possible that I am being too nuanced but not wishing to murder her doesn’t automatically equate to a proposal of marriage.
Capital punishment isn’t murder in my opinion but that’s another thread.
People are defending her, we’ve literally had someone on this thread insinuating she was too young to know what she was doing.
At 19 I reckon you’ve got a pretty good idea.