COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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bluemcr said:
Hahaha nice to have a fellow blue in these parts. I live on Walton rd just off marsland rd
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I’m Maple Road - I’ve taken the little one to the park near you on a few occasions

Maybe I’ll catch up with you in the Brook one day when all this is over and share lockdown stories.

Stay safe, neighbour.....
 
urban genie said:
Now we are all locked down the spirit of the blitz myth peddlers will be all out, telling us how we never folded and went crazy/soft/panicky during the war even though none of them actually lived through it.

People suffered a lot of psychological trauma, were trampled over by each other get into shelters, had their houses robbed during raids, social and ethnic division crept in when it came to shelters and who was let in, and most just hid at home and the myth of everyone pulling together to keep calm and carry on was over egged.
Even the king was booed when visiting bomb sights regulary.
While many of those kids sent to countryside were sent back within six months to bombed out cities as they were deemed by the locals to be diluting these little villages with their common city ways.

Gimps ignoring the advice and using the spirit of the blitz and other bollocks as a reason to do exactly the wrong thing need to be told to get a grip and do whats right.
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Winston Churchill is often looked open as one of the greatest men of the C.20th but in the very first General Election after the war the country voted him out because the returning soldiers fucking hated the ****!

But he’s looked back on very differently now to how he was looked at in 1945.
Marvin said:
Yes. I am isolating. So are my Mum and Dad. I skyped them yesterday but was upset at their reaction that a BBC report was suggesting they'd still be isolating in 12 months. That really isn't the projection at all.

People IMO do need to isolate and follow the advice but they also need hope.
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It didn’t say self isolating for 12 months, it said social distancing for 12 months.

Therefore, 2+metres apart from each other, no hugging or kissing, no touching, no high fives, do not share cups/cutlery, do not take food from the same bowl, stay in as much as you can, do not go to gatherings, go out for necessities, self isolate for 14 days if you show symptoms... all for 12 months.

It is not self isolate for 12 months.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I am still remembering me being to you "wipe your fanny" when 2 weeks or so ago, I said this was the biggest crisis facing this country since WW2.
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There are still people on LinkedIn and Twitter arguing the toss about the % survival rate and that most will only get a runny nose

Reading their posts it’s like they live in a parallel universe or they are watching a different news channel. Someone told me on Thursday that the ‘scaremongers’ has got to me - unbelievable. This has been obvious to anyone who’s paid attention for about 6-8 weeks. Now I understand why not all people do pay attention, they might not have the radio on all day like I do but if they haven’t realised in the past 2-3 weeks then I don’t think they ever will
 
give it to gordon said:
Can anyone help me with advice please as I have read so much I am confused.

We are self isolating because my lads gf has been told to ( she works in hospital ). My lads bosses have told him to do the same, which means we have been told to as well by our surgery.

Can one of us go out and get food etc or do we have to get someone to shop for us ?

Thanks ...
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Yes you should get someone else to shop for you.
Local voluntary groups may be operating. Have a quick Google for your area. Or even ask Bluemooners in your area (use PM).

Assume the packaging of whatever you get is contaminated. Simplest if you don't need stuff immediately is just to leave it 3 days - if it's perishable wipe the packaging with soapy water, get the food out with an implement e.g. fork, into a plate, and wash hands after.
 
give it to gordon said:
Can anyone help me with advice please as I have read so much I am confused.

We are self isolating because my lads gf has been told to ( she works in hospital ). My lads bosses have told him to do the same, which means we have been told to as well by our surgery.

Can one of us go out and get food etc or do we have to get someone to shop for us ?

Thanks ...
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Hello 'give it to gordon'.

My Mum and Dad are over 70s'. They use Tesco online but the delivery slots are hammered. They are getting my brother to do their shopping for them.

As per Urban Genie's comment, you could contact friends, family, neighbours to do the same?

If no alternative, don't sit at home hungry and worrying, go out and do it but sensibly keeping your distance and time it so that you miss queues etc.

I think all the measures we've been given are about protecting our general health. We just need to be careful and sensible.

Best wishes.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Not sure if this article from the Lancet has been linked here as it’s a couple of days old but very interesting read on co-morbidity factors.

ACE inhibitors such as used by diabetics and those who have high blood pressure seem to increase the production of ACE2, the cell type that nCov binds to, which may mean that such people are at risk. It seems ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs).

if anybody does take these tablets for either ailment can’t they come off them for a while safely? during this period? Huge amount of diabetics in the UK and US so not sure if these inhibitors are dispensed of to everyone with 1 and 2?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext
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As I take ACE inhibitors I've been following this for a couple of weeks and the situation is a bit more nuanced than the Lancet article. In fact there are other studies that show taking these medicines can help people during this outbreak due to the antiinflammatory nature of the ACE2 enzyme.
In addition the Chinese say one of the things that is found in the dead are very low potassium levels.
People on ACE inhibitors and blockers are often advised to avoid bananas, avocados because of the high potassium content. Why? Because the two drugs tend to cause decreased sodium and high potassium levels. So eating more bananas can take your potassium levels to high and your sodium levels dangerously low.
So in short a drug that raise your potassium levels might theoretically be useful if infected by covid 19.
As I say it's complicated and the current advice until more is known is to continue the medication.
 
give it to gordon said:
Can anyone help me with advice please as I have read so much I am confused.

We are self isolating because my lads gf has been told to ( she works in hospital ). My lads bosses have told him to do the same, which means we have been told to as well by our surgery.

Can one of us go out and get food etc or do we have to get someone to shop for us ?

Thanks ...
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from the BBC

What is self-isolation?
Self-isolating means staying at home and not leaving it, other than for exercise. Don't go to work, school or public areas during this time.

If possible, you should not go out even to buy food or other essentials. If you are unable to get supplies delivered, you should do what you can to limit social contact when you do leave the house.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51506729
 
Just looking at the pictures of the pubs being packed with young people getting drunk and hugging each other etc.

It's hard to think that 80 years ago it was that age group that was fighting for our freedom. How times have changed, now its ignore the advice of keeping the public safe we are out to get pissed.
 
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Apologies if someone already posted this.
 
Blue Hefner said:
There are still people on LinkedIn and Twitter arguing the toss about the % survival rate and that most will only get a runny nose

Reading their posts it’s like they live in a parallel universe or they are watching a different news channel. Someone told me on Thursday that the ‘scaremongers’ has got to me - unbelievable. This has been obvious to anyone who’s paid attention for about 6-8 weeks. Now I understand why not all people do pay attention, they might not have the radio on all day like I do but if they haven’t realised in the past 2-3 weeks then I don’t think they ever will
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Been one of the most astonishing revelations to me so far is just how many people literally do not do any research at all even on a topic as important as this for themselves, family and friends.

I’m all for having a laugh and have probably taken that to my extreme in my youth with hedonism bordering on insanity but I was still always aware of many issues in the world from arts, finance, politics and sciences. Having nearly spent as much time in the UK and overseas I do think the UK has a disproportionally higher amount of daytime TV watchers than Europe who only seem to know a lot about insurance claims or collecting sovereign gold coins.
 
give it to gordon said:
Just looking at the pictures of the pubs being packed with young people getting drunk and hugging each other etc.

It's hard to think that 80 years ago it was that age group that was fighting for our freedom. How times have changed, now its ignore the advice of keeping the public safe we are out to get pissed.
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If all those young people were spreading it around last night and could now somehow avoid the old and those with underlying health issues - would that be the ideal situation.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
If all those young people were spreading it around last night and could now somehow avoid the old and those with underlying health issues - would that be the ideal situation.
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You can't really avoid other people, they could pass it on to work colleagues, who pass it on the their elderly parents. It was an unnecessary risk to take.
 
robbieh said:
As I take ACE inhibitors I've been following this for a couple of weeks and the situation is a bit more nuanced than the Lancet article. In fact there are other studies that show taking these medicines can help people during this outbreak due to the antiinflammatory nature of the ACE2 enzyme.
In addition the Chinese say one of the things that is found in the dead are very low potassium levels.
People on ACE inhibitors and blockers are often advised to avoid bananas, avocados because of the high potassium content. Why? Because the two drugs tend to cause decreased sodium and high potassium levels. So eating more bananas can take your potassium levels to high and your sodium levels dangerously low.
So in short a drug that raise your potassium levels might theoretically be useful if infected by covid 19.
As I say it's complicated and the current advice until more is known is to continue the medication.
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very interesting and as you say it looks like we still need more research and data feedback on that ( although the less data we get back the better obviously on mortality) -

but if it was proven that you should stop taking/reducing your inhibitors could this been done relatively safely over a short period of higher risk for you? I know the answer won’t be straightforward as I assume these chemicals have time lags in the system.
 
give it to gordon said:
Wont a golf course be closed ? It's a leisure/sports club. I guess the club house and changing rooms, pro-shop etc could be closed and you just get changed in the car park.
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Nothing stopping you taking a few clubs and balls to the course and playing a few far flung holes away from prying eyes, got a fishing pond on my local course too, I won't be going stir crazy.
 
Brendan110_0 said:
Nothing stopping you taking a few clubs and balls to the course and playing a few far flung holes away from prying eyes, got a fishing pond on my local course too, I won't be going stir crazy.
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Getting in a few freebie rounds lol as an ex head greenkeeper you sound like a member I wont have got on with lol.....no offence, just when I closed the course I would have thrown you off ;).....have fun lol
 
Gelsons Dad said:
But he made the argument with no knowledge of the actual research in all fields and the strategy that the government was working on. He is an expert in one field which is great but it's only one imputes into the equation. the government strategy has to look at as many variables as possible to find the optimum solution. His opinion is valid, but only one part of the overall picture.
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From a minimising deaths point of view, the optimum solution mate, is keeping the infections to an absolute minimum. The more infections, the more deaths. It's very, very simple. And if we have far too many infections then the NHS gets overloaded and the death rate shoots up. There's no ambiguity nor subtly of argument here.
 
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