What would Bernardo have done? One goal against united and nothing else of note all season. I agree Foden should have come on, but Mahrez is probably the most likely to make something happen.
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Pep Guardiola - 2019/20 Performances
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jay_mcfc
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mahrez was our best player when he came on ?
Christ. According to who? Although Jesus, Sterling and KDB were all better when the system changed. But the Mahrez conundrum does continue - even when he personally looks good the team is much better when we have workrate from the front. We were crying out for Foden or Bernardo but both were reduced to cheerleading.
jay_mcfc
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Give us the thing we lack - legs, energy, workrate, pace. If you judge Bernardo just on his goals or assists you’re missing his main attributes. If we play Rodri/Fernandinho/Garcia/Gundo in the middle spine we can’t afford players like Mahrez in front of them.What would Bernardo have done? One goal against united and nothing else of note all season. I agree Foden should have come on, but Mahrez is probably the most likely to make something happen.
It was all played out in front of us. It doesn’t take a genius to work out what the difference was between last night and 8 days previously.
Tugay One Cup
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He needs to sort the midfield out next season. The one area of the pitch I wouldn't have thought we'd have to worry about but he's been getting it wrong pretty consistently this season. That's his bread and butter and he's not making it work.
Ashleymcduff
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Christ. According to who? Although Jesus, Sterling and KDB were all better when the system changed. But the Mahrez conundrum does continue - even when he personally looks good the team is much better when we have workrate from the front. We were crying out for Foden or Bernardo but both were reduced to cheerleading.
bernando been trash all year and we need some trickery not Energy
ADegenerate
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The desire from Pep isn’t there anymore this is why he said his 4th year in Barca was a mistake, his intense management style burns his desire and the teams desire out after around 3 seasons and that’s his shelf life. There is no doubting how great the football has been we have played under him but if he was to walk away tomorrow his time here would be deemed a failure unfortunately. Yes he’s won 2 league titles in amazing fashion but he’s been given the funds to achieve that as a minimum and obviously the domestic cups are a nice bonus too but the main thing he was brought in for was the Champs league and he has failed worse than I could ever of imagined.
The scary thought is that every single City fan looked at that team when it come out last night and knew we was in trouble from the get go every single city fan but pep? Do you think Bayern Munich would have changed their style and whole formation that they haven’t played all season to ‘adapt’ to Lyon? Would they fuck they’d play their way and say deal with this and make them change their set up to deal with Bayern. Lyon was already mentally 1 up when they will have seen he changed our full way of playing before a ball was kicked.
Pep has his loyal fan club and rightly so (I’ve never really been in it) just can’t warm to him as a person more than the football side he’s dug the fans out a few times in his time here about attendances etc but when his time is done here I understand why the majority will be devastated but there will be a manager out there better suited to us we just need to make sure we get it right!
In a weird way for me it’ll be refreshing when he leaves as for example I want to be signing a centre half because he can defend first and foremost then play well with his feet not the other way round. Peps system for 2/3 years is the best in world football but after that it’s a spent force. He’ll do next season and leave but I’m not expecting anything from it we look shot and uninspired.
Very fair and just points here. Reckon you won’t get much feedback, but I’ll chime in because your post is worth discussing.
Peps an eccentric + stubborn dude. You used the term failure for Pep, it wasn’t your main point, but it’s the one that’s easily targetable.
Go back to 16/17 and then say we’d win three Milk cups, 1 FA, two shields, two leagues, and zero CL semi finals in four years. That’s a bang on 7/10 regarding expectations. Agree with you that this needs to be his last year.
It all comes down to this final season doesn’t it? 3/5 premier league titles and a CL final next year minimum to meet expectations.
jay_mcfc
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For 1 I would have brought Foden on and 2 where was Mahrez’ super duper trickery? Was it just coincidence that once Mahrez came on we became a lot more susceptible to the counter?bernando been trash all year and we need some trickery not Energy
But that's the thing! Just based on our performances since after the covid break, how could he NOT feel the system we've been using was good enough to take on Lyon? I really really don't get that.
Agree also any system we play because Pep has his teams ply football in the opposition half and play possession football the same problem would still be there against teams who defend deep double treble up on wing play then hit us on the break.
They say pep overthinks champs league well if he did he would know a giant low block sides why not totally change set up keep full back never over commit and play the opposition at there own game especially when our pace is with the front line.
oakiecokie
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Unfortunately oh so true Jay.When he brought Mahrez on ahead of Foden and Bernardo that was the final kick in the balls.
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There's not many players on that lyon team who would even make it into our squad nevermind first eleven. We were destroyed by a former celtic player who came on as a sub.Peps one of the best managers around .
The players just aren’t good enough to win the champions league !!!
apart from KDB and a fit kun, would any of our players ( bias / blue tinted google aside be considered world class??
I doubt it maybe raz at a push
southamptonblue
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There's not much wrong with any of our players doing their role....but last night we had all 3 slow sideways passing with little to no creativity playing together doing one man's job (Rodrigo,Gundogan,Fern), whilst all creative players bar KDB were on the bench....100% down to the manager alone!
Tugay One Cup
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There's not many players on that lyon team who would even make it into our squad nevermind first eleven. We were destroyed by a former celtic player who came on as a sub.
It's just such a weird point to make. I'd understand if we got knocked out by Bayern or even lost the final to PSG. But we just embarrassed ourselves against an inferior squad.
I'd rather bring someone on to try and get us a goal, like Mahrez, than a guy woefully out of form who can run around a lot.Give us the thing we lack - legs, energy, workrate, pace. If you judge Bernardo just on his goals or assists you’re missing his main attributes. If we play Rodri/Fernandinho/Garcia/Gundo in the middle spine we can’t afford players like Mahrez in front of them.
It was all played out in front of us. It doesn’t take a genius to work out what the difference was between last night and 8 days previously.
jay_mcfc
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How did that go?I'd rather bring someone on to try and get us a goal, like Mahrez, than a guy woefully out of form who can run around a lot.
Ashleymcduff
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For 1 I would have brought Foden on and 2 where was Mahrez’ super duper trickery? Was it just coincidence that once Mahrez came on we became a lot more susceptible to the counter?
well he provided a attacking outlet. We looked more threatening when he came on ?
Not very well really.How did that go?
jay_mcfc
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As would have happened with any attacking player we brought on for a defender with 30 mins to go and 1-0 down.well he provided a attacking outlet. We looked more threatening when he came on ?
He did bring him on, I think he made one pass in the whole 40 odd minutes he was on the pitch. Why not bring on Bernardo who can make things happen.I'd rather bring someone on to try and get us a goal, like Mahrez, than a guy woefully out of form who can run around a lot.
I wish Pep would stop being so stubborn and make quick changes when they're needed instead of scratching his head and spitting every 30 seconds when things aren't going to plan.
I can’t get over the team selection. How does Pep continually get it wrong in big games?
The worst thing is in the post match interview he doesn’t admit any fault. Said the last 15-20 minutes of first half we played well.
He will continue to experiment like this.
He finally changed it when Mahrez came on but too late and wrong sub. Then he doesn’t make another sub until the 84th minute. Wtf is he doing?
Like when we were losing 1-0 to Spurs in the CL and Pep brought on Sané and De Bruyne in the 89th minute. Wtf?
We won’t win the CL with Pep unfortunately. I just hope Pep doesn’t continue to insist on playing Rodri and Gundogan together because if he does we might as well say goodbye to the league next season regardless of who we bring in.
The worst thing is in the post match interview he doesn’t admit any fault. Said the last 15-20 minutes of first half we played well.
He will continue to experiment like this.
He finally changed it when Mahrez came on but too late and wrong sub. Then he doesn’t make another sub until the 84th minute. Wtf is he doing?
Like when we were losing 1-0 to Spurs in the CL and Pep brought on Sané and De Bruyne in the 89th minute. Wtf?
We won’t win the CL with Pep unfortunately. I just hope Pep doesn’t continue to insist on playing Rodri and Gundogan together because if he does we might as well say goodbye to the league next season regardless of who we bring in.
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My point is Bernardo has not made anything happen this season, I think you're underestimating how bad he's been this season. I'm not advocating bringing mahrez on either. I think Foden would have been the best bet, he has the energy of Bernardo but offers more of a threat and isn't in a year long slump.He did bring him on, I think he made one pass in the whole 40 odd minutes he was on the pitch. Why not bring on Bernardo who can make things happen.
I wish Pep would stop being so stubborn and make quick changes when they're needed instead of scratching his head and spitting every 30 seconds when things aren't going to plan.
Ultimately though we just didn't turn up and that's on Pep for changing the system and the players for shitting the bed and putting in an arsenal performance. I don't think any one sub would have made much of a difference to be honest, so this discussion is a bit pointless in my view.
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