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BLUEMATT23 said:
Jeez this is mentally a hard slog.
Its sucking the fun and meaning of life.
There is just no fucking end to this daily barrage of deaths, infections and fucking awful news.
There is nothing to look forward to anymore.
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It is extremely hard, there's no other way to describe it.
I think the dark nights and winter approaching is adding to the feeling, that we all have, that all is doom and gloom.
We need to remember that there WILL be an end to it at some point. If nothing else, there will be "lighter" days (in more ways than one) and easier times eventually. Just imagine how much more we will enjoy everyday life when that happens.
I read your posts on here and can see how hard it has been for you, but hold on and try and find things to take pleasure in....maybe something you overlooked when life was "normal." Even if it's just a walk everyday in the fresh air, seeing nature and taking some time away from the media etc.
Take photos when you go out, get a photo album and put them in. Chronicle your journey through all this, but in a positive way.
I know it probably all sounds crap but it did actually work for me when I suffered similarly 20 years back. Meds helped too..just used them to get me over the blip and they did. Came off them after.

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BigJoe#1 said:
Well it could be read that way I guess, but I know personally of people who have died with very serious underlying conditions and were close to deat anyway, but because they had contracted Coronavirus the deaths were attributed to it, hence why I think the year on year comparisons and getting a feel for excess deaths is a useful or helpful view for comparisons.
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Whereas my father-in-law died in a care home a couple of weeks ago, with COPD which had become much more acute and he deteriorated rapidly, and the cause of death was put down as COPD. But the family all think it was COVID and the care home did want to draw attention to the fact.

That's the trouble with anecdotes. They are fucking useless.
 
cleavers said:
Why ? She's done just as bad as he has clearly, for their population size arguably worse.
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Just feel that if she had proper control she'd be able to act on a plan, could well be worse the BJ's but we'll never know.

She's certainly clear rather than a waffling baffoon and apart from the Salmon stuff SEEMS a little more trustworthy than anyone in our current government.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Whereas my father-in-law died in a care home a couple of weeks ago, with COPD which had become much more acute and he deteriorated rapidly, and the cause of death was put down as COPD. But the family all think it was COVID and the care home did want to draw attention to the fact.

That's the trouble with anecdotes. They are fucking useless.
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Which is why maybe comparing weekly deaths year on year might give a clearer picture, as it clearly did in March / April.

It is tragic what is happening and there is no single way to fix it.

Genuinely sorry to learn of your loss.
 
GM highlights - only two places up - neither by much. Most places down. Despite the larger numbers nationwide today.

Manchester the only one over 200 - at 328 lowest in five days.

Liverpool was higher today at 420. But not the highest. Birmingham was not even top today with 510 cases (just second).

Top went to the big problem city Nottingham with 545 cases and a gigantic Pop score rise of 163 from the 1900s to 2139 missing the entire 2000's out.

Even Bradford beat Manchester today with a very bad day here at 333. It's highest ever I think

Knowsley - though - had a huge improvement - halving from three days in the 160s and 170s to just 91 - but its Pop score still shot up to be the highest in the UK still at 2739.

Ex top of the Pops(cores) Leicester on the other hand had a bad day with 129 cases - most in weeks. Partly explaining the big rise in the MIdlands.

But a huge shock back in GM and might make you suspect a testing glitch (what surely not given how world class it is?)

Wigan with a near record 250 cases yesterday was the best in GM today and one of two under 100. The biggest single day fall - apart from in Manchester with its recent huge numbers - that I have ever seen.

The full GM scoreboard will follow.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
Well it could be read that way I guess, but I know personally of people who have died with very serious underlying conditions and were close to deat anyway, but because they had contracted Coronavirus the deaths were attributed to it, hence why I think the year on year comparisons and getting a feel for excess deaths is a useful or helpful view for comparisons.
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Why were they close to death ?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
The data on the ONS site only goes to w/c 11th, we need to be consistent with data sources if we are going to compare like with like. I'm guessing it will be updated at some point?
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Do your own homework.

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.
lmgtfy.app lmgtfy.app
 
kaz7 said:
Why were they close to death ?
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Kaz, they were very ill COPD and cancer. Sadly they and their family had known the end was near but at some point along their final days they had contracted Corona virus and that is what was put on the certificate and it may well have been the final straw, but neither of the families felt they had been a victim of the virus.

They would almost certainly have died within a fortnight corona virus or no corona virus. Whilst it is beyond any doubt that the granularity we have is really helpful, it sometimes can be better in some instances not to get too too tangled down in the weeds.
 
kaz7 said:
It is the nurse in me , i want to protect people , you are right though x
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Understand totally but think of your own wellbeing before anyone else as at the end of the day who else is going to put the match day data on here and keep the Dipper lurkers in their place. Keep well and stay positive x
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Kaz, they were very ill COPD and cancer. Sadly they and their family had known the end was near but at some point along their final days they had contracted Corona virus and that is what was put on the certificate and it may well have been the final straw, but neither of the families felt they had been a victim of the virus.

They would almost certainly have died within a fortnight corona virus or no corona virus. Whilst it is beyond any doubt that the granularity we have is really helpful, it sometimes can be better in some instances not to get too too tangled down in the weeds.
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That is very sad, i assume it was mentioned as a contributary factor and not the main cause of death though, if has to be recorded , they follow it backwards , if they were going to die then their primary cause of death should be their primary condition , covid has to be recorded but there are places to put it on a death certificate and not the primary cause of death
 
oman0115 said:
what is the % death rate of people who’ve got it, I imagine it is super low
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Most estimates are in the region of 0.5-1%, termed the IFR (infection frequency rate).

It varies radically by age, and is approximately double for men vs women

See for instance

www.nature.com

The coronavirus is most deadly if you are older and male — new data reveal the risks

A slew of detailed studies has now quantified the increased risk the virus poses to older people, men, and other groups.
www.nature.com www.nature.com

1% of the uk population is ~600,000 people. Whether that's super low or not is a matter of opinion.
 
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