COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[inbetween]

Even the German Track and Trace system seems to have broken according to Merkel, they were praised for it through much of the year, and it's more "local" than ours can be (without a major rethink here), but she's admitted it's not working, with current case numbers, I'd say it's pretty impossible to fix ours, and even if it had been perfect, it would have been falling apart by now.

Supposedly 30% of the country is using the app but we are testing less than 1% of the country per day. That means the app cannot trace contact links to anything greater than that number and I doubt any large number reports their result so it's far less. You then have to consider that people only get tested when they show symptoms which means on average contacts are alerted at least 4 days too late to make any difference!

I think if we want to get serious about controlling this virus then the way to go is to have regular compulsory testing of a massive number of the population. After the test, the people doing the testing automatically upload the results to the app for you and there you go, everyone you've been in contact with is alerted automatically.

It needs to be remembered that if we could test every single person every single day with instant results and mandatory self-isolation for positive cases then there would be no need for a lockdown and things could go back to normal.

That is exactly what they are doing in the Asian countries. They rapidly track outbreaks in local areas, lock it down and then test every single person until the infection is gone and then they open it back up.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

This everyday of the week, Boris needs to come on TV and say we aren’t the problem you selfish bastards are. If you want to be treated as adults act like one, take responsibility for your own actions stop trying to blame everyone else otherwise we will take that choice from you.

Quite right.

As amateur as the govt have appeared throughout all this, I still blame the public for the spread more than I do the govt. It’s the public that are giving the virus to each other, not Boris and his band.

And the more you see people not following the rules, the less I feel it’s the govt’s fault. But they have to be harder and harsher in their language now. We will be in for a long Winter and pussy footing around arseholes breaking rules won’t cut it anymore for me.

Now is the time for threats and an increase in fines and arrests. There should be a drive of it in the coming weeks.

 

[East Level 2]

This everyday of the week, Boris needs to come on TV and say we aren’t the problem you selfish bastards are. If you want to be treated as adults act like one, take responsibility for your own actions stop trying to blame everyone else otherwise we will take that choice from you.

Boris is a good time PM and would never deliver a message like that. It needs saying, but that clown won't say it.

 

[inbetween]

Quite right.

As amateur as the govt have appeared throughout all this, I still blame the public for the spread more than I do the govt. It’s the public that are giving the virus to each other, not Boris and his band.

And the more you see people not following the rules, the less I feel it’s the govt’s fault. But they have to be harder and harsher in their language now. We will be in for a long Winter and pussy footing around arseholes breaking rules won’t cut it anymore for me.

Now is the time for threats and an increase in fines and arrests. There should be a drive of it in the coming weeks.

I think it's harsh blaming the public, the public aren't responsible for public health control, that's the job of the government. The public are moving into lockdown #2 precisely because of the failings of the government to tackle the crisis despite unlimited experts and resources at their disposal.

We can't reasonably expect the public to adapt to these massive changes instantly, they have to be prepared for it and they weren't. They announced the new 3 tier system of lockdowns on the same week that the first city went straight into the most serious tier!

If they had spent June-August planning these tiers and telling the public what to do then we'd be prepared for it. Instead in August they were paying for our half price meals encouraging us to go out and then the month after they are blaming us for going out to eat because we are stupid plebs!

The public have to be treated with respect, given plenty of notice and full transparency of the plan. If that happens then people will follow the rules.

 

[Northernstorirs]

Maybe because you resorted to making negative assumptions about me just because you disagreed with my view. FWiW i'm sorry for calling you a ****, im a hothead and always get confrontational whenever i feel fronted. Peace.

No worries, I am really sorry for your situation and I really hope this horrid virus disappears ASAP so you can return to normality and loved ones. Peace

 

[mosssideblue]

I think it's harsh blaming the public, the public aren't responsible for public health control, that's the job of the government. The public are moving into lockdown #2 precisely because of the failings of the government to tackle the crisis despite unlimited experts and resources at their disposal.

We can't reasonably expect the public to adapt to these massive changes instantly, they have to be prepared for it and they weren't. They announced the new 3 tier system of lockdowns on the same week that the first city went straight into the most serious tier!

If they had spent June-August planning these tiers and telling the public what to do then we'd be prepared for it. Instead in August they were paying for our half price meals encouraging us to go out and then the month after they are blaming us for going out to eat because we are stupid plebs!

The public have to be treated with respect, given plenty of notice and full transparency of the plan. If that happens then people will follow the rules.

It is an element of the public who simply refuse to adhere, spoiling it for the rest.

 

[robbieh]

Japan a country way more populace than the UK has had less than 2,000 covid deaths. Let that sink in.

I don't hear stories about it or Korea or Singapore being on their knees economically.

It looks to me that we alongside France,Spain,Italy, Belgium, the US et al have managed this very poorly.

 

[mosssideblue]

Japan a country way more populace than the UK has had less than 2,000 covid deaths. Let that sink in.

I don't hear stories about it or Korea or Singapore being on their knees economically.

It looks to me that we alongside France,Spain,Italy, Belgium, the US et al have managed this very poorly.

Or culturally, we are different maybe. As far as I know, the Japanese are a very respectful race.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I think it's harsh blaming the public, the public aren't responsible for public health control, that's the job of the government. The public are moving into lockdown #2 precisely because of the failings of the government to tackle the crisis despite unlimited experts and resources at their disposal.

We can't reasonably expect the public to adapt to these massive changes instantly, they have to be prepared for it and they weren't. They announced the new 3 tier system of lockdowns on the same week that the first city went straight into the most serious tier!

If they had spent June-August planning these tiers and telling the public what to do then we'd be prepared for it. Instead in August they were paying for our half price meals encouraging us to go out and then the month after they are blaming us for going out to eat because we are stupid plebs!

The public have to be treated with respect, given plenty of notice and full transparency of the plan. If that happens then people will follow the rules.

You have more faith in people than I do mate!

There’s a small bit sizeable chunk of this country who would not follow the rules no matter how well planned, clear and advanced they were (and I do agree with you that better planning and clearer messaging would be much better and the govt have not done a good job!).

Every individual is responsible for their own actions. Nobody else is. The govt, scientists, NHS, PHE, parents, bosses, CEOs, schools, shop security staff etc. all have a job to do to in order to guide people; but it’s down to each and every one of us from our own volition to act in the right way.

I’m a bit of a anti-mainstream don’t-do-things-everyone-else-does kind of person, usually. But I’ve pretty much been to the letter with regards to Covid. I’ve not found the haphazard, ever changing rules hard to follow. Too many have ignored the rules and it becomes a societal habit when people do that. These people need the threats, fines and arrests.

 

[inbetween]

Japan a country way more populace than the UK has had less than 2,000 covid deaths. Let that sink in.

I don't hear stories about it or Korea or Singapore being on their knees economically.

It looks to me that we alongside France,Spain,Italy, Belgium, the US et al have managed this very poorly.

Japan is a strange one, they have the biggest number of people aged 65+ in their population yet they haven't done anything special and their cases/deaths have remained low.

It's more likely that something else is afoot, possibly a weaker strain or some immunity quirk, who knows?

 

[mosssideblue]

You have more faith in people than I do mate!

There’s a small bit sizeable chunk of this country who would not follow the rules no matter how well planned, clear and advanced they were (and I do agree with you that better planning and clearer messaging would be much better and the govt have not done a good job!).

Every individual is responsible for their own actions. Nobody else is. The govt, scientists, NHS, PHE, parents, bosses, CEOs, schools, shop security staff etc. all have a job to do to in order to guide people; but it’s down to each and every one of us from our own volition to act in the right way.

I’m a bit of a anti-mainstream don’t-do-things-everyone-else-does kind of person, usually. But I’ve pretty much been to the letter with regards to Covid. I’ve not found the haphazard, ever changing rules hard to follow. Too many have ignored the rules and it becomes a societal habit when people do that. These people need the threats, fines and arrests.

Absolutely. This virus has really highlighted what we have become.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Japan a country way more populace than the UK has had less than 2,000 covid deaths. Let that sink in.

I don't hear stories about it or Korea or Singapore being on their knees economically.

It looks to me that we alongside France,Spain,Italy, Belgium, the US et al have managed this very poorly.

And I’ll bet the citizens of those places have followed the rules much much better than the struggling countries have.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Japan is a strange one, they have the biggest number of people aged 65+ in their population yet they haven't done anything special and their cases/deaths have remained low.

It's more likely that something else is afoot, possibly a weaker strain or some immunity quirk, who knows?

I wonder if they’ve had this virus in the Far East before? Maybe numerous times in history and have a in-built immunity? Considering that’s where it came from, they’ve had very very few deaths.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

And I’ll bet the citizens of those places have followed the rules much much better than the struggling countries have.

Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate

Japan had no lockdown, it has an elderly population - so why haven't more people died from Covid-19?

www.bbc.co.uk

it was all voluntary and guidance in the Far East. The only country which locked down was China. The other Far East countries referred to here didn’t lock down.
gave guidance about hygiene and space but pretty much life as normal.
go figure.

 

[lancs blue]

Or culturally, we are different maybe. As far as I know, the Japanese are a very respectful race.

Yes, I'd say society in some of those Far East countries has perhaps been more regimented historically and the public are more compliant with government edicts than in Western Europe.

 

[M18CTID]

Bad all over the south mainly going off that.

But hey as sumarised here yesterday it may upset the cornish if the south is locked down so let's leave it.

No fucker in westminster gave a shite locking down the north all when places like barrow were practically covid safe.

The south is fucked lock the lot down and support those affected.

I wonder where those posters have gone who claimed last week that we shouldn’t have a nationwide lockdown as the north had the far bigger infection numbers (and as such it was only northerners behaving irresponsibly and spreading the virus), whereas those down south were doing everything right and shouldn’t be punished with a lockdown?

Fact is that there are Covidiots all over the fucking country and the higher figures in certain regions were always going to be replicated elsewhere eventually.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I think it's harsh blaming the public, the public aren't responsible for public health control, that's the job of the government. The public are moving into lockdown #2 precisely because of the failings of the government to tackle the crisis despite unlimited experts and resources at their disposal.

We can't reasonably expect the public to adapt to these massive changes instantly, they have to be prepared for it and they weren't. They announced the new 3 tier system of lockdowns on the same week that the first city went straight into the most serious tier!

If they had spent June-August planning these tiers and telling the public what to do then we'd be prepared for it. Instead in August they were paying for our half price meals encouraging us to go out and then the month after they are blaming us for going out to eat because we are stupid plebs!

The public have to be treated with respect, given plenty of notice and full transparency of the plan. If that happens then people will follow the rules.

Sorry but they have given respect they are been told to judge for yourself and what happens they go out in pubs with huge amounts of people etc. Maybe they shouldn’t be selfish bastards and go wait a minute if I do ABC then it will lead to XYZ. The onky thing I blame the government on this is not closing down those establishments straight away and letting the ones who have adhered stay open. Supermarkets can refuse entry without masks but won’t for fear of human rights, I got that from a manger of a store, they are terrified of been sued by someone. Yet if I wanted to walk bollock naked in there I’m sure the police would be down sharpish. Bet security on the supermarkets refuse entry, if they don’t like it shop elsewhere or online. Pubs close immediately if they have large amounts in, 14 days deep clean, £10k fine, no ifs or buts, let’s see how many toe the line then. Individuals saying their group is in a bubble, the pubs can’t prove it but the police certainly can, show proof of address, not the same fined £1k. All this can be done and should be done if we want our economy to keep going, the alternative now is a Great Depression the likes we have not seen since 1930s, maybe that’s a gloomy outlook but it’s coming if we don’t sort it out.

 

[robbieh]

2 weeks ago we all knew there'd be a second wave but to me it looked as if it would not be so bad as while case numbers were going up, due to increased testing?, Deaths remained low.

Now in a short space of time the picture looks very different. We are only at the beginning of winter. And it looks like it could be way worse than last spring.

Surely we can't just stumble into this scenario.

 

[s1ty m]

2 weeks ago we all knew there'd be a second wave but to me it looked as if it would not be so bad as while case numbers were going up, due to increased testing?, Deaths remained low.

Now in a short space of time the picture looks very different. We are only at the beginning of winter. And it looks like it could be way worse than last spring.

Surely we can't just stumble into this scenario.

Already stumbling.

 

[hgblue]

Coronavirus: Japan's mysteriously low virus death rate

Japan had no lockdown, it has an elderly population - so why haven't more people died from Covid-19?

www.bbc.co.uk

it was all voluntary and guidance in the Far East. The only country which locked down was China. The other Far East countries referred to here didn’t lock down.
gave guidance about hygiene and space but pretty much life as normal.
go figure.

Sweden’s second wave is tiny, whilst everyone who locked down is struggling with a massive second wave. Go figure that one too.