PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[JewelZee]

Why should it take years?


It a simple matter, did we commit fraud, we say we have irrefutable evidence, show the evidence and if it's true we are cleared.

Because the people charging us don't give a rat's ass about irrefutable evidence. Hence, we have to keep moving along through the process until someone who is genuinely impartial sees the evidence. And that takes time...

 

[Colin Bell (genuine name)]

Personally I think City have been waiting for this to happen. They kept quiet after UEFA and CAS knowing that the Premier League were still conducting an investigation. If the Premier League had dropped its investigation then both City and the League could have moved on. Remember Khaldoon was a staunch defender of the Premier League after Tebas’ attack in 2019 -

“This is a special league, and going back to Mr Tebas that’s why this attack is not just on Manchester City, this attack is against this league. And I hope people start seeing that.”
"I know people don’t want to defend Manchester City, but for God’s sake start defending this league.”

The League and the American mob have seriously underestimated the intelligence of our chairman and it might now be the time he decides to bring down every last one of the corrupt bastards.

“I will not accept this club to be used as a diversionary tactic on poor investment decisions from other clubs,“

"We know that it's not easy for our competition - and by the way, the football world is very small and word comes around very quickly so when someone somewhere in a leading position in any club says something or briefs something, guess what? We know about it.”

Guess what? WE KNOW ABOUT IT.

Go get them City, get every fucking last one of them.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

I keep seeing our situation being compared to what happened at Rangers but surely it's very different?

Didn't Rangers go into administration? I'm too lazy and stressed with our situation to start looking into it.

On these charges all this talk about stripping titles, being thrown out of the league/relegated shouldn't even be on the agenda. Why should innocent fans and the manager and players suffer because clerical staff fucked up? ( If they did of course) If we fixed matches, bunged referee's then yes that would be very serious charges and I would understand and accept we cheated, but we didn't. Anyone witnessing the decisions going against us over the years would know if anything the opposite was true. A few extra bob in Mancini's pocket and the players should be a fine at best.

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Yes mate. Entirely different situation. They didn't just go into administration but were actually liquidated, went out of business. Hence, they've never actually been relegated (despite what their fans may try and convince you). The reason they were in league 2 is because as a new club/business, they had to apply to join the pyramid and that's where they were granted starting entry into.

 

[Thornliebank]

Rangers went bankrupt a lot different. They didn’t get kicked out, they had to start again.

We got thrown down to the bottom tier due mainly to lobbying from Celtic. This was for using a tax avoidance scheme and nothing to do with going bust. It was what became the ‘ sporting integrity ‘ campaign to deliberately damage us to the maximum.
At the time the club was in administration with nobody at the helm and thus vulnerable to attacks and demands from those who seeked to gain from it. We had no say or influence whatsoever in the decision to demote us.
City are in a much stronger position with powerful backers employing the best legal minds to fight the case, so it will be far more difficult for the ‘ red shirt ‘ trio to have their pound of flesh the way Celtic had with us.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I feel sorry for those fans who still have to go into a workplace or school! Every day could yet feel like the day after a derby defeat for months to come. In short, it's very depressing.

That said however, I think we will eventually produce documentation to discount any claims of wrong doing less those rather subjective charges of failure to help the Premier League's investigation. In fact, I'm convinced the Premier League only put those there so once we can prove our innocence, they can justify their actions and avoid complete ridicule by saying that if they had everything City supplied prior to the hearing, it could have been avoided!

In fact neither the Premier League nor City benefit by any of this and I am certain the Premier League's actions are being forced by certain clubs, who may well have forced the Premier League's hand by threatening to support independent regulation unless they charged us.

The whole scenario is awkward for the Premier League and a bloody nightmare for City, because in essence, the innuendo and besmirching that our club's name now finds itself under is far worse than any fine, points deduction or relegation. All those are inconsequential to having every media outlet openly undermine every effort this club has made for 15 years!

Frankly, regardless of any beating of the charges, the shit has stuck and I am not sure how we can ever hope to reestablish our good name even if completely exonerated.

Of course, if in some way we have all been too optimistic and we are proved to be conclusively guilty as charged, then I believe the only solution would be to somehow have the club dissolved and reformed under new fan led ownership, and reclimb the football pyramid from the bottom. Rangers did it and frankly most Rangers fans I know are glad that the club reformed as it gave the a complete reboot.

Strangely, what I don't want is some middle ground outcome of being guilty and trying to carry on as normal after a points deduction, relegation or huge fine. That will leave our club in complete limbo and a laughing stock for all eternity.

Read it a couple of times now - still not sure what you're saying.
You seem overly concerned about others thinking naughty things about us.

 

[Atypical]

We got thrown down to the bottom tier due mainly to lobbying from Celtic. This was for using a tax avoidance scheme and nothing to do with going bust. It was what became the ‘ sporting integrity ‘ campaign to deliberately damage us to the maximum.
At the time the club was in administration with nobody at the helm and thus vulnerable to attacks and demands from those who seeked to gain from it. We had no say or influence whatsoever in the decision to demote us.
City are in a much stronger position with powerful backers employing the best legal minds to fight the case, so it will be far more difficult for the ‘ red shirt ‘ trio to have their pound of flesh the way Celtic had with us.

Cheers, was not aware of all that.

 

[CatMan]

Read it a couple of times now - still not sure what you're saying.
You seem overly concerned about others thinking naughty things about us.

In the short term no fans deserve to have their club unfairly ridiculed if not true.

In the long term, and if it's proven we have cheated, we cannot carry on as if nothing happened. I for one, and I suspect most fans would rather be considered honest alsorans than dishonest winners!

 

[Bluesince1979]

People don’t have to leave home to sign an online petition [emoji16]

Was tongue in cheek

 

[Citizen1961]

I feel sorry for those fans who still have to go into a workplace or school! Every day could yet feel like the day after a derby defeat for months to come. In short, it's very depressing.

That said however, I think we will eventually produce documentation to discount any claims of wrong doing less those rather subjective charges of failure to help the Premier League's investigation. In fact, I'm convinced the Premier League only put those there so once we can prove our innocence, they can justify their actions and avoid complete ridicule by saying that if they had everything City supplied prior to the hearing, it could have been avoided!

In fact neither the Premier League nor City benefit by any of this and I am certain the Premier League's actions are being forced by certain clubs, who may well have forced the Premier League's hand by threatening to support independent regulation unless they charged us.

The whole scenario is awkward for the Premier League and a bloody nightmare for City, because in essence, the innuendo and besmirching that our club's name now finds itself under is far worse than any fine, points deduction or relegation. All those are inconsequential to having every media outlet openly undermine every effort this club has made for 15 years!

Frankly, regardless of any beating of the charges, the shit has stuck and I am not sure how we can ever hope to reestablish our good name even if completely exonerated.

Of course, if in some way we have all been too optimistic and we are proved to be conclusively guilty as charged, then I believe the only solution would be to somehow have the club dissolved and reformed under new fan led ownership, and reclimb the football pyramid from the bottom. Rangers did it and frankly most Rangers fans I know are glad that the club reformed as it gave the a complete reboot.

Strangely, what I don't want is some middle ground outcome of being guilty and trying to carry on as normal after a points deduction, relegation or huge fine. That will leave our club in complete limbo and a laughing stock for all eternity.

The only mickey taking I get from other clubs fans is on the performance on the pitch, which isn't very often. Most normal fans focus on the footy. I do think the Premier league have committed an act of self harm in trying to keep control out of the hands of an independent regulator. It's actually increasing my love for the club. Seige mentality and all that.

 

[There is a Light]

I just can’t see them stripping us of our titles, even if they did find us guilty (and that’s a very big if at the moment). It would too messy, complicated and excessive.

In the words of the old Joe Hart song, “They’ll have a fucking riot on their hands”

 

[Thornliebank]

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Yes mate. Entirely different situation. They didn't just go into administration but were actually liquidated, went out of business. Hence, they've never actually been relegated (despite what their fans may try and convince you). The reason they were in league 2 is because as a new club/business, they had to apply to join the pyramid and that's where they were granted starting entry into.

We were voted out of the premier league by the SPL clubs. That is a vote that took place and if I remember correctly, your club Kilmarnock were the only club to abstain. The club changed company hands, of which the oldco actually up until recently has yet to be liquidated. But he club itself never ‘ went out of business ‘ as it has enjoyed continuous membership of Scottish football uninterrupted completing every single season.

 

[Norbert D]

We got thrown down to the bottom tier due mainly to lobbying from Celtic. This was for using a tax avoidance scheme and nothing to do with going bust. It was what became the ‘ sporting integrity ‘ campaign to deliberately damage us to the maximum.
At the time the club was in administration with nobody at the helm and thus vulnerable to attacks and demands from those who seeked to gain from it. We had no say or influence whatsoever in the decision to demote us.
City are in a much stronger position with powerful backers employing the best legal minds to fight the case, so it will be far more difficult for the ‘ red shirt ‘ trio to have their pound of flesh the way Celtic had with us.

I hope you’re right. What fucks me off is this shit about the “football family”, every time a club is in trouble, be it, Bury, Rangers, Leeds, Portsmouth, Luton etc the “football family” kicks them when they are down then rifles through their pockets, like a pack of hyenas. Fucking dirty cunts.

 

[horlock_was_super]

Just the same answer suffices when asked by the various dickheads ( even a BIFFO ffs) when they start I just reply.

What have City done wrong?

Over and over again.

Watching the mouth breathers struggle to comprehend is hilarious.

 

[g180aj]

Exactly. Much as we don't want to admit it, City are small fry in all if this, a minor investment in the grander scheme of things.

Reputational damage extends beyond the Club and I don't believe the Premier League have truly digested what the ramifications are for years to come.

I suspect Khaldoon and Sheikh Mansour will want to be heard personally by these spunk bubble fuck-wits.

That’s exactly what I said to all the scousers in work yesterday, at some point the penny will drop and they will realise the true implications of what they have stated, this is so much more than Manchester City now.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Thanks! Sorta felt like I actually got Neville to defend City when I called him and Carragher out on not liking City, so Neville felt an urge to appear impartial for once ha.

Well done. Carragher came across very badly. He has no idea about the case and made a fool of himself. To be fair to Neville he has been consistent in attacking the FFP rules. He knows they are a sham.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

We got thrown down to the bottom tier due mainly to lobbying from Celtic. This was for using a tax avoidance scheme and nothing to do with going bust. It was what became the ‘ sporting integrity ‘ campaign to deliberately damage us to the maximum.
At the time the club was in administration with nobody at the helm and thus vulnerable to attacks and demands from those who seeked to gain from it. We had no say or influence whatsoever in the decision to demote us.
City are in a much stronger position with powerful backers employing the best legal minds to fight the case, so it will be far more difficult for the ‘ red shirt ‘ trio to have their pound of flesh the way Celtic had with us.

That's a complete lie and fine well you know it. You weren't 'thrown down' anywhere.

The two situations are simply not comparable.

Nobody from a City perspective should be looking at what happened to Rangers as some kind of parallel at all, it's just not the same - none of it.

Hopefully the thread doesn't get derailed, just best to clarify.

 

[Impeccable One]

Was tongue in cheek

as was my reply

 

[chesterbells]

Pretty much my experience from football fans in the office so far this week. Nobody seems to be that arsed about this as they know we've got owners who can afford to spend money. I'm not a FOC either.

Social media massively exaggerates what normal people think, even sports journalists aren't really writing relatable articles that capture the feeling of traditional football fans. Everyone is trying to promote how they feel individually or push across their ideas and it's just not healthy for anyone.

I know there are lot of people becoming disillusioned with football but the trick is to avoid shit opinions or at the very least place no value on them. The only thing that matters is how you feel about your club.

Superb pal, really worthwhile post.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

We were voted out of the premier league by the SPL clubs. That is a vote that took place and if I remember correctly, your club Kilmarnock were the only club to abstain. The club changed company hands, of which the oldco actually up until recently has yet to be liquidated.

The vote was to grant entry to the league, not to 'relegate or keep in'. The member clubs voted no. Simple as that.

Last word on that.

 

[chaddblue]

That's a complete lie and fine well you know it. You weren't 'thrown down' anywhere.

The two situations are simply not comparable.

Nobody from a City perspective should be looking at what happened to Rangers as some kind of parallel at all, it's just not the same - none of it.

Hopefully the thread doesn't get derailed, just best to clarify.

How was it different? Genuine question as I don’t really know what Rangers did