The new regulator could start by banning people with no money buying clubs using leveraged debt. The Glazers have run United as a pure personal cash cow for years but have hardly paid any of the debt back. That is not organic growth no matter how much their fans bleat about it.I read Martin Samuel's article todan and obviously I agree with it. Martin has been a consistent critic of FFP and it is good to have such a constant and articulate voice, but it must be stressed that the case against City is not based on any failure to comply with FFP and some on here don't seem to realise this and are still talking about smashing the cartel and bringing down FFP. These are laudable aims but are of little relevance to our present difficulties. They will only become relevant when we win our case, the PL has to be replaced and an independent regulator appointed. That regulator must be GENUINELY independent so that the days of the redtop conspiracy are over. Some form of financial regulation and probably cost control are necessary but NOT one which entrenches the same clubs at the top as FFP tries to do. Attention has to be paid to the whole question of owner investment, and I believe it must be allowed and encouraged but not just to allow super rich owners "to buy the pot". I don't know how to do this but what we want is integrity and genuine concern for football from the regulator.
It would be like VAR on a bigger scale. Anything to benefit the red topsNothing could possibly strip me of the elation of winning the league in 2012 or any of the other leagues, cups etc.
So even if they did, we've all lived through it and they'll never take that away.
The charge on UEFA's FFP rules and the explanation given by the athletic had me thinking. Watch from the timestamp at 1:44 to 3:27.
If you have to follow and respect UEFA's rules because "you signed up to them", even when you are not in that competition "because you applied for that license in that year". Then Liverpool's 2014 FFP failings might be worth a revisit for City's legal team too. There will probably be some loophole but that would be absolutely delicious, if the PL then had to investigate them and charge them. Better still the £50m fake stadium write off, along with the hacking scandal, has them absolutely snookered. City win their case because the PL have no evidence, Liverpool lose theirs. :) Dreams.
The SPL clubs participated in a vote to throw Rangers out of the premier league. When that was achieved the lower leagues then voted to have us relegated to the bottom tier of Scottish football.If you are actually denying this happened, then you are not worth bothering with.The vote was to grant entry to the league, not to 'relegate or keep in'. The member clubs voted no. Simple as that.
Last word on that.
fantasticI’m not one to usually post on forums, in fact this is actually the first time, but with everything that has transpired over the past few days coupled with the flagrant arrogance of football ‘fans’ i’ve felt compelled to respond.
I won’t go down the road of emphasising the misery it brought me at school, although relevant it’s hardly exclusive, but what I will focus on are the sheer levels of hypocrisy that are emerging, hypocrisy that we all knew existed but couldn’t truly demonstrate because one club was state owned (originally) and another was bankrolled by a horrendous group of incestuous yank capitalists.
During the past decade Manchester City have produced the best football ever witnessed, scored the most goals and essentially made a mockery of an English pyramid headed by two teams in Red, both dominant in respective decades due to the majority of investment and all the perks that it brings - better players, trophies, more fans - similar to ourselves although we still can’t sell out our stadium allegedly (heard some ball bag on the radio the other night claim we only get 30,000) but we’ve never been truly allowed to appreciate it.
Certainly amongst ourselves we have rejoiced: QPR, Villa, Leicester, Liverpool, United etc but there’s never been a moment where we’ve not had to suffer the ignominy of a loutish fat tosser down the boozer who so flippantly decries our achievements as being tinged with falsities, arab money, financial tampering, inflated sponsors (words he can’t even spell let alone understand) or; when faced with some facts that he struggles to dispute, barks treble or twenty times in our face like a petulant child, remnants of last night’s dinner still smeared around their mouth, before slinking off with their fellow minions, fortified by the fact that we’re yet to win the champions league.
Dealing with people like this is allegedly part and parcel of the sport, working class ribbing and ‘friendly banter’ to be expected amongst rival fans… except that it’s not, it’s tiresome, absorbing and ultimately annoying to the extent that it has literally sucks the fun out of it all, a bitterness echoing loudly in the streets, on social media, on whatsapp, in the boozers and at work, fully grown men and women focusing their jealously through petty barbs, goading people into responding to try and deflect their own pettiness and insecurities.
I’ve maintained for a long time that there are no truly decent rags and I’d like to think that over the past few days that any lingering doubts people have had to the contrary have been extinguished. Having to listen to people try to explain something to me that they know even less about than I do is tiring enough but when you’re also faced with a bombardment of populist media shills and ex-players, let alone the very organisation that your football has done so much enhance the brand of, then I could be forgiven for giving up and just accepting the inevitable.
But then the final piece of the jigsaw fell into place and all the ‘coincidences’, the collusion and corruption finally jumped right out and smacked me in the face… Qatari investment. All the false sentiments and morality, the things we’d known for so long that were simple mechanisms to try to mask their spite finally shone through. I mean, we should have known it was coming when the media tried to condition the public into believing that it was because of City and Newcastle that clubs like Liverpool and United had no choice but to seek state investment, as though they were forced into it.
Make no mistake the timing of Monday’s announcement, the delay to the Independent Regulator, the two week window it potentially gives the Qatari’s to meet the Glazer’s deadline, displace the Governments dependence on one State’s finances by shifting it another - may sound a tad too conspiratorial but can anyone truly pretend they don’t agree?
If the above goes through, which it most probably will, all the murmurs of human rights violations will disappear, vanish as though they never existed and the truth will present itself because all this has ever been about is no longer being the best… like the most popular child at school suddenly losing his grip on his peers, the only way to try to regain that is through manipulation and lies.
Personally I believe we’ll prove our innocence but on the back of this it’ll instil a whole new level of tribalism and toxicity and so we must never forget the way we’ve been treated. Never pretend that this was okay and never lose sight of the fact that we were there when we were shit! MCFC. x
I'm really sorry, but fuck your *I don’t think they’ll strip our titles. How can they. It will kick off a massive shitstorm.
However we may have to accept an asterisk * next to the title wins if we get found guilty. I could probably live with that as we’d still officially be champions.
Hmmmm - anyone else?In the short term no fans deserve to have their club unfairly ridiculed if not true.
In the long term, and if it's proven we have cheated, we cannot carry on as if nothing happened. I for one, and I suspect most fans would rather be considered honest alsorans than dishonest winners!
You're banging your head against a wall mate.If we can get a partition with enough signatures, we can put our case.
First day back in the office, spoke to fans of various clubs, Everton and Arsenal etc yes in Manchester…no one I have spoken to has much of a bad word for City, now that could be they don’t want to upset a FOC but it’s more they can see what’s happening at Chelsea, £1.5B debt written off, splurged £600m in transfer fees in the
last six months. Probably more people than you think, are of the opinion this is a shabby stitch up.
Damn it's like switching on the lights and all the moths come towards it.I don’t think they’ll strip our titles. How can they. It will kick off a massive shitstorm.
However we may have to accept an asterisk * next to the title wins if we get found guilty. I could probably live with that as we’d still officially be champions.
All you have to say to any dippers we may get relegated but it dosent come close to murdering 39 Italians...Well I have turned over a new leaf, I usually try to explain why opposition fans are wrong or believing false press narratives. But I just called one a bin dipper, told him to fuck off and blocked him on twitter. Be doing this in real life now too. If I lose a few so called mates, fuck em. CTID
I think they announced their investigation at the same time(the investigation lasted 4-5years). The reason both UEFA and PL were able to launch one was that the email leaks were of public interest. They need a valid reason to launch an investigation. They had one with the hacking scandal and maybe with the failing FFP and the Stanley Park business. They didn't and they wouldn't no matter what excuse they've found to justify it. They would never go after the big sly 3.I was thinking that myself. What triggered the Premier League to investigate us after we won at C A S . It must have been a complaint from other clubs. If the Premier League rules state all clubs have to comply with F.F.P. then why haven't all the clubs that have breached F.F.P. been investigated as they have clearly breached the Premier League rules. There are more than the Scouse gits. These clubs were found guilty and no action was taken as they weren't in European competition at that time.
City should make a formal complaint and demand these clubs be charged for breaking the same rules as they allege we have. Let them get out of that one.
As others have said this is much bigger because they are saying we committed financial fraud for nine years, as PR said that’s huge!This feels like it has some kind of kangaroo court all over it.
Similar vibes to the UEFA adjudicatory chamber who found us guilty prior to CAS.
Except this time we don't appear to have anywhere to turn, if the courts ultimately aren't an option.
So we have to hope for a fairer panel than what UEFA brought, but ultimately it doesn't seem to matter how right we may be and how 'fair' we might have acted, if the panel are heavily influenced and have their minds made up prior to a hearing then where do we turn?
A complete sham.
You're joking, but that's basically what we did for CAS. Third parties also released their audits, books and reports and they matched ours.I don’t see why we can’t get Mansour to call all our related 3rd parties and get them to show a paper trail. Change the dates and numerical entries to match up with what we are reporting! After all the premier can’t ask for that info off said 3rd party and bingo it’s all over. Only joking, no need for the auditors to answer back.
need some humour to get through this shit -:)
We never played in the scottish league, wrong team.The SPL clubs participated in a vote to throw Rangers out of the premier league. When that was achieved the lower leagues then voted to have us relegated to the bottom tier of Scottish football.If you are actually denying this happened, then you are not worth bothering with.