Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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You speak for yourself when it comes to flouting lockdown rules. The vast majority didn’t, including many of those who died separated from their loved ones
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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We ran out of money because of what was promised. You're not really still a Brexit fan, are you?

70m million people didn't flout the lockdown rules. And it's about the people who made the rules flouting the rules.
 
BayernMan said:
Do people really think BJ and his gang of Tories failed because they ran out of money??
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Not any normal people, no.
The whole world has seen exactly what BJ and his cabinet of fuckwittery were up to during the Pandemic, how the country was being led by incompetent fools who were way in above their heads. They’ve seen the shambles of Brexit and how they managed to cock that up and on a daily basis we are treated to one right wing rant after another by a string of Tory politicians who should be in jail for treason given their apparent hate of the country they are meant to be in charge of.
Running out of money to blame for this whole shitshow?? That’s peak chippy right there.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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I can’t believe there’s still folk who support the Johnson. Utterly mental. I looked after folk who died alone in nursing homes. Families would take it in turns and stand outside the window looking in to pay their respects. Meanwhile that fat **** you support was getting sucked of in no 10 between the daily parties he never attended. Give it another year or two and your sort will be calling for a knighthood for man of the people Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.
 
Vic said:
We ran out of money because of what was promised. You're not really still a Brexit fan, are you?

70m million people didn't flout the lockdown rules. And it's about the people who made the rules flouting the rules.
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To be fair Vic, Chippy was a staunch Remainer. Even called me an idiot for voting Leave ;) However, I don't agree with his opinion that Covid did for Johnson. It would've unravelled for him anyway
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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Mate, what finished Johnson off was the Chris Pincher saga, not Covid lockdown parties (although those have shown him up to be the right piss-taking **** that he is)

And I know very few people who indulged in the kind of behaviour that Johnson and his mates did while the strictest lockdown rules were in place. There was literally only one house round our way that hosted parties and it pissed the whole neighbourhood off. In any case, it wasn't the public who made the rules - it was Johnson and his cronies and yet they had the audacity to blatantly break them.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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I think if you want to continue supporting Johnson and making excuses for him that's your business. However, this forum (like the country as a whole) is full of people who obeyed the rules often at great personal cost so coming out with that last bit of nonsense, presumably just for a bit of wumming, reflects very poorly on you.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
She is winding people up and inciting a riot. Sunak must sack her must daren't he knows he is a gonner if he does.
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It looks like that's the underlying motive - get sacked and play the victim in all this.
She's the darling of the ERG and Sunak is not.

They want him gone and perhaps they hope that if she can storm in with the Boudicea/Thatcher persona with the pitchforks and flaming torches, and the hang 'em and flog 'em warcry, then maybe they can expect the anti-libertarian brigade to look to her as their saviour.
How many more people and groups of society will she demonise? Now pointing the finger of potential blame towards the Met for something that hasn't happened and undermining the Met, even more than they do by their own actions.

What a sorry society we risk heading towards.
There's a war in progress now in this country, the war of ideas, and to paraphrase an old quotation - If the people don't stand for something, they'll fall for anything.
 
I wonder if she has inside knowledge that the Rwanda plan is about to be found to be unlawful and has decided to go out all guns blazing rather than have to resign when the court kicks it out-just a thought.
 
The problem we have is that practically the whole Cabinet is unfit for public office. This woman is just a particularly egregious example.

Politicians who set out to stir emotion are very, very dangerous. No one knows where such practices will lead, but it is entirely possible they could blow up in the face of the people stirring them. Contrary to popular belief, the 'silent majority' in this country are not racist, tin-pot fascists. They are moderates who want peace and order, as opposed to chaos and violence.
 
threespires said:
I think if you want to continue supporting Johnson and making excuses for him that's your business. However, this forum (like the country as a whole) is full of people who obeyed the rules often at great personal cost so coming out with that last bit of nonsense, presumably just for a bit of wumming, reflects very poorly on you.
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There's 77m people in this country I think and I only suggested 70m of them are hypocrites. I suspect that's perhaps about right, in terms of the numbers of people who broke no lockdown rules at all. My wife and I stuck to the rules pretty well, but I cannot say there were no situations where we didn't quite stay within the letter of them. God knows how many people had visitors when they shouldn't have, drove somewhere they shouldn't have, had 2 extra people at a wedding etc etc. It was rife.

I am actually no supporter of Boris, but I do think a PM being hounded out of office over such trivia - and yes, IMO, it is trivia - was pretty ridiculous. It was not like he was paying for sex with a minor like Berlusconi for example.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
There's 77m people in this country I think and I only suggested 70m of them are hypocrites. I suspect that's perhaps about right, in terms of the numbers of people who broke no lockdown rules at all.
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The United Kingdom's total population was 67.62 million in January 2023.
 
Pedestrian said:
I can’t believe there’s still folk who support the Johnson. Utterly mental. I looked after folk who died alone in nursing homes. Families would take it in turns and stand outside the window looking in to pay their respects. Meanwhile that fat **** you support was getting sucked of in no 10 between the daily parties he never attended. Give it another year or two and your sort will be calling for a knighthood for man of the people Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.
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That people were not allowed in wasn’t government policy but rather local policy of each hospital and care homes. The trust Mrs MB works at allowed relatives of palliative patients in to see their loved ones.

Your ire is well founded on this but should be directed at those who made the decisions.
 
Chippy_boy said:
You're confusing the Tory party with the electorate. He had broad appeal that would have persisted if we had not been nobbled by COVID. It was a golden opportunity to seize the red wall seats from Labour, deliver on what was promised and keep them blue for the foreseeable. Sadly, we completely ran out of money and too many people made mischief out of stupid nonsense like who had a glass of wine when they shouldn't have, when in fact 70m people flouted the lockdown rules anyway, the steaming hypocrites.
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In 2019 there were 47,568,611 eligible voters.

67.3% of those eligible to vote did so in 2019.

43.6% of the votes cast were for the conservatives. A total of 13,966,454

To put it another way, of those votes cast in the 2019 "landslide victory" for Johnson, even if you put aside the third of the electorate that didn't vote, 56.4% of those that did vote, voted for a party other than the conservatives.

That's first past the post for you.

I draw your attention to these irrefutable facts, in order to give you an opportunity to distance yourself from your ludicrous "broad appeal" bollocks.
 
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As I have said on here just now and repeatedly previously, I am not a supporter of Boris Johnson.

And whilst many were appalled at his lockdown rule-breaking - to whatever extent it was - actually I wasn't one of them. I really couldn't give a toss about it, but that's just my personal view. What I would say though is that it certainly felt like there were rather more or his tory enemies and also labour supporters who were appalled, so I think there was absolutely political capital being made over it.

Anyway, this thread is not about Johnson is it, so let's move on.
 
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