Suella Braverman - sacked as Home Secretary (p394)

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Aphex said:
So when a conservative, does a conservative thing, they get flinged out. Makes me laugh when people opine how right wing of a government they are.
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She was "flinged out" for defying cabinet responsibility by publishing an opinion piece she had been specifically told not to.

I'm not sure that defying your own leadership and colleagues is "conservative", but these are strange times indeed, so perhaps I've missed something.
 
BrianW said:
Funny, I used to work in the same organisation as a woman who wore a niqab. Not only did she talk to me, she actually hugged me on one occasion as a sign of friendship. (I must admit I was taken aback, but that was my prejudice)

Well over 90% of Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Atheists just want to live their lives in peace, enjoy their hobbies and their families, celebrate their festivals, fall in love, marry, have kids and die in their beds.

It's always the minority of extremists and bigots who are the problem. The people who want everyone to be exactly like them, think like them, whatever. I know it's more challenging to live in a mixed society than one where everyone is C of E and white, but that's what we have. We either make it work or we have endless conflict and hatred.
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Even if we were all white and CoE we’d still find a reason to have a group or groups we blamed for our lot or abused. Probably something of our equivalent to not being of aryan descent.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
She was "flinged out" for defying cabinet responsibility by publishing an opinion piece she had been specifically told not to.

I'm not sure that defying your own leadership and colleagues is "conservative", but these are strange times indeed, so perhaps I've missed something.
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Electioneering.
 
johnnytapia said:
Therein lies the reason Remain lost. Trotting out bollocks like “pet obsession” and “blinkered”.
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"We will be able to stop illegal immigration "
"We can control our own fishing rules"
"We can manufacture to our own regulations"
Plus many more including the biggest of them all "we will have more money to spend on our NHS"
All these and more were focused on pet obsessions and voters who had no desire to look further than the front page of the Daily Mail.
 
mexico1970 said:
If you look at some of the vitriol on the tory threads in this section you can't honestly say that the right wing need an enemy, the left fling their shit high wide and handsome too. Some of the misogyny is quite Frankly frightening.

If anyone has been on the back of the Jews it has been the left wing (Not all) not the right wing in general, there are some posters on this site who have had trouble containing themselves but slip about their beliefs every now and then.

My point about Brexit is that if the remain camp stopped calling people names remain would have won, not very bright ehh?
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I don’t think it was just about calling people names, I don’t know anyone that voted for Brexit because they were perceived to be stupid. If they did, that’d just prove the point anyway though!

It was more that the political sides dominated the debate and the Brexit side of it had a significantly better campaign with that. Not only did Cameron himself fail to inspire, Corbyn was awful too and the messaging any of them did was awful for the consumption needed in a referendum.

Gove’s statement of “having had enough of experts” was very powerful too. That led to vast watches of experts across multiple areas who did make completely reasonable and rational points effectively discounted by many or just not heard at all, despite them being the people that deserved a platform far more than the politicians.

Aside from Vote Leaves campaign working, I don’t think any of it should be considered bright though. Bringing the referendum in the first place, not having a media that could stay objective and be focussed on informing throughout, voting in the people responsible for leaving to govern us and allowing them to completely run roughshod over our parliamentary processes and standards, none of it has a good.

As a collective electorate, we all deserve to be called stupid tbh. That people see that as an insult that needs placating rather than accepting it is a prime example of why we’re not mature enough to be run by referendums tbh. That and the loss of empathy across the board is also how we end up with politicians like Braverman as Home Secretary too.
 
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Aphex said:
From green to red you lot. A different opinion means Ie: Tommy Robinson, I'm a fascist, I've got a bulldog that does a Nazi salute, I've memorised Mein Kampf, I have a fetish for leather trousers

So predictable and boring. Stopping immigration is a popular policy. Is it not?
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No it’s fucking not!! You do realise this island is completely full of people from immigrant backgrounds?
Pathetic mate.
 
Aphex said:
From green to red you lot. A different opinion means Ie: Tommy Robinson, I'm a fascist, I've got a bulldog that does a Nazi salute, I've memorised Mein Kampf, I have a fetish for leather trousers

So predictable and boring. Stopping immigration is a popular policy. Is it not?
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I genuinely don’t know one person who has ever mentioned stopping immigration. There are far more important issues. I seen a lot of folk at the Cenotaph yesterday of obvious immigrant background, maybe we should send them back.
 
Aphex said:
I've already put my 2 peneth in about English identity. I'm not claiming you have to be white, I'm claiming you have to have a modicum of respect. Take the Asian shopkeeper and the wig incident. The hate coming from sections of the black community was allowed to happen. When people hear things like this, then decide to march, they are accused of right wing Nazis. It ties in with what most of the population think about identity, immigration and values. You can not blame people when they are not listened too.

I'm wasting my time even debating on here. Take that as you want, I don't give a fuck what you think. You are so far left you lake Mao look sensible.
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Until your last line i was going to give you a reasoned reply about that particular incident.
denislawsbackheel said:
It is odd though that Cameron like Mandelson and Carrington before him is only accountable through the House of Lords. He won’t be directly accountable to the Commons.
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Not quite accurate, they are still subject to scrutiny by HoC Select Committee, who often do a much better job than parliament.
mexico1970 said:
You see it on here every day, the Labour part lost their identity when they fucked the real working class off and their only way back is to at least try to do something that will benefit the working class.

Too many middle class lefties fist pumping Labour into more years as the opposition.
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Not often i agree with you, but spot on apart from the middle class lefties, or liberals as they really are, it is they who support Keith,the Labour party is much more metropolitan liberal than it has ever been
Ducado said:
To be honest and I don't want people to take offence but anyone who voted for Brexit was stupid,
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Sorry Ducky i am stupid :(
 
johnnytapia said:
Remain were only ever offering more of the same and had no cogent policy on immigration. And immigration was the number one reason people voted to leave.
Had Cameron been able to get some / any concessions from the EU on immigration, Remain would have waltzed home.
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Angela Merkel said Cameron didn’t clearly ask for anything. I suspect he had just not thought through what was required. Chillax.
 
Personally I think she deserved our support, nay a promotion, for her tofu-eating wokerati comment alone

Other than that, bit of a dick head really who likes the sound of her own propaganda too much
 
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