PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Fuzzy80 said:
Yes, it’s a strange take and one more expected from a Liverpool fan then City in my view (but I don’t mean anything in that and we all deal with this in our own way and we care about our club, so it is stressful).

To create a scenario to argue if we are found guilty but still be innocent is a defence mechanism.

Aligned with the opposing fans telling us we are guilty but will get off because top lawyers or Govt interference.

If we get a guilty verdict chances are there is something, if we get not guilty chances are we are innocent. Don’t get me wrong there are errors but that is where we are.

But, we will accept a not guilty as correct justice done and opposing fans won’t respect the courts opinion.

Likewise if guilty they will say you are a court proved and we will say that was only because of x, y, z.

Bring it on I say, with so many alleged breaches something will give, but don’t think it will be what they hope and will prove just to be a speed bump.
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Watching Masters demeanour yesterday was quite revealing. If he is required to give evidence then he appears he would lose composure under microscopic questioning.
The parting anology from the chair of a referee s performance hardly covered him and our dear friend Rick Parry in glory.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Footballer accuses rival club of corruption. He should be charged with bringing the game into disrepute.
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He hasn’t. He’s just extrapolated Everton getting a 10 point deduction for one charge to what we might get with 115 charges.

He’s playing along with the current narrative that suggests we’re being relegated to Scottish football. (Hyperbole noted)
 
GLBlue1995 said:
If I recall right -- and I'm kind of an idiot for following him on Twitter/X -- Harris recently lost his job. There's nothing to be gained by the Club bringing suit. Can't get blood from a stone; and you can't undo all he's said and done to damage the reputation of the club. Better to ignore him and win the battle with the PL. Probably good advice for all of us, because he's not going to engage any City fan in good faith.

Now when he's slandering the PL when City wins (something he set the stage for in today's rant), the PL might go after him, which would be kind of delicious, no?
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Why would you follow him? Doesn't make sense to me. You called yourself an idiot, and I won't disagree with that, but without people like you, following moron's like him, they wouldn't have a platform to spout their bile in the first place.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't stand the ****.
 
Oldham Exile said:
I do pop on there more regularly than I should - certainly more so that can be good for me - but I just like drinking in their desperation and pain

The last 24 hours or so their thread on CITY has been 'off-the-scale' in their excitement about what punishment(s) we should be handed down.

Whilst I laugh at how ludicrous they are - and how they are totally lacking in awareness of the subject of the charges - I have started to feel a sense of disquiet regarding my concern of whether their level of ignorance, and 'demand' for there to be 'justice', could be somewhat typical of fans across the country and also have the scope to infect right-minded and independent individuals.....

I even have started to have a concern about the findings of the KCs that make up the Independent Panel.

If it is true that they cannot find evidence of the scale of fraud that would be required for CITY to be found guilty of more than 'non-cooperation' - then I just wonder if the clamour for 'justice' might lead to the punishment handed down for our non-cooperation being much more severe than we would currently anticipate - due to the need to satisfy the masses.

And then could this lead to a 2nd round of non-cooperation charges for 2018 onwards - with a precedent already set from this first judgement.

It is clear to me that the 115 approach and the lobbying of Parry and Masters has - to a degree - achieved its goal the masses are at the gates with pitchforks and cannot consider any punishment that is anything less than draconian to be anything other than a cover-up

The cunts on RAWK and elsewhere live in their own bubbles - but I guess so do we on here.

I have started to have some concerns for CITY - due to the need for the PL to 'satisfy the masses' and I hope to fuck that the KCs are utterly robust in how they handle this with independence and objectivity

Heaven forbid that we are found guilty of anything more than non-cooperation
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Put yourself in the KC’s shoes and ask yourself if you really want to find the club guilty of the alleged offences without absolute irrefutable evidence considering, who owns the club and the men responsible Any guilty verdict will have massive ramifications The rival fans are irrelevant they have zero power and history shows that the PL and the clubs have zero regard for them
 
City Mike 1969 said:
they've included the fail safe 'failing to co-operate' within the charges so they've got that to fall back on. If it does, I'd want to City to take them to court and reveal the extent of the information that was requested as I think that would truly pull the PL's pants down. In a perfect world the club would have a smoking gun regarding the behaviour of that rat (P)rick parry during the UEFA case, so that could be raised as a reason for non-cooperation as well.
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City went to the high court to contest the PL right to request what, the club regarded as confidential information which cloud be valuable to rivals and lost the club then appealed the decision of the judge that the judgement should remain private this appeal was supported by the PL unfortunately the jade dismissed the appeal she also commented that the PL should get on with it as City had won numerous PL since the investigation was started.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Do you not think a huge part of owners like Kenwright voting for FFP was to limit ambition for his own club ? By introducing FFP it meant he didnt have to stick his hands in his own pocket and could turn to the fans and say, “sorry we cant spend because of FFP”.
Id say in a lot of cases it wasnt about doing the best for their clubs , more themselves.

If Kenwright was such a big Evertonian, would he not want a rich sheik to come in and transform his club and its area? He had that chance and greed and narcissism meant he stopped himself doing so.
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I thought that Everton were ruled out for a takeover, as with Liverpool, because of the uncertain situation of Anfield and Goodison at the time?
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Why would you follow him? Doesn't make sense to me. You called yourself an idiot, and I won't disagree with that, but without people like you, following moron's like him, they wouldn't have a platform to spout their bile in the first place.

Sorry for the rant, but I can't stand the ****.
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Fair question.

Part of it is I haven't cleaned up my follows in a long time. Part of it is I kind of like rubber necking and seeing what the crackpot has to say.

I get what you are saying though. Adding to his follower count isn't helpful
 
Scaley said:
Believe it or not that was more or less my explanation to some Scousers at work today, all I got back was “brown envelopes” but they couldn’t explain why these same envelopes didn’t stop the PL taking the action they have. The mask has really slipped with some of the Scousers I know both blue and red.
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Reminds me of the time a minority shareholder took control of the company I was working for, that had a habit of paying cash bonuses. And I am talking equivalent to an annual salary. They wanted an end to what they called "brown envelopes". The Finance Director told them in a Board Meeting that there definitely would be no payments in brown envelopes. The truth was we never used brown envelopes. We always used, and continued to use, white envelopes.

Incidentally, the bonuses were paid out of a Panama company, something else the new owner didn't like. So the FD assuaged their fears by saying all our companies fully complied with all local accounting requirements. What he didn't tell them was that, in Panama, the requirement was just to keep books of account. They didn't have to be accurate at all.

Those were the days. :)
 
Stoned Rose said:
Alleged breaches, not charges.


Doubtful.

If there was any suspicion of criminality the PL would be duty bound to pass it to the dibble.
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No they wouldn't. At least, not yet.
This is one of the myths that has developed on here the last few weeks. There is no requirement to report fraud to the relevant authorities at any particular time.

Also, the authorities aren't going to swoop into City's offices on the off chance the PL has some evidence. I am sure they are watching, though. And probably laughing ....

To be clear, the alleged breaches include providing the PL with accounts that don't give a true and fair view and acting in bad faith towards the PL. We are also assuming the substance of the alleged breaches is the same as CAS considered in the UEFA case. There is no direct mention of fraud.

Where fraud comes into this case is that the alleged breaches, taken together, effectively constitute fraud, so the IP will be required by the defence to take into account a higher level of cogency of evidence into their considerations than they would, say, for a simple PSR monetary breach.

All imho, of course, and I am happy to be blasted (again) by our legal guys if I have got it all wrong.
 
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