PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Tb1981 said:
All seems a bit overblown to me
Gonna waste all this time and money to basically find us guilt of non cooperation.
Almost like the 115 charges are geared up to maybe find us guilty of a few small ones and then loads for not cooperating
We say shows were innocent
Then everyone else says we got off on a technicality and we’re still guilty…..
They then change the rules to let united spend a shit ton more money trying to catch up
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As I understand it, the 'small' ones follow on from the big ones. So if they can't prove the big ones, the small ones automatically fall also
 
TheMagicDragon said:
Don't be so condescending. Most of this case is opinion and conjecture. Nobody has any facts apart from City have been charged with fraud, obstruction and false accounting of sorts. One journo said City were one big state sponsored money laundering operation. Not sure i agree with that.
We can all guess how it'll play out or opine on the outcomes but that's all it is. You can't say City are definitely innocent of everything and nobody can say they're definitely guilty of everything. And I doubt that the only evidence is screen shots and hacked emails, come on.

I just hope that the truth is found, either way because this has the potential to make the Premier League absolutely pointless. When we get there, I want it to be free of all this corruption.
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The UEFA case was based 100% on screenshots from a magazine and no other supporting documentation. I won't be surprised if the PL case is the same. What other information could they possibly have?

Also, can you explain why you said if City are found innocent "every club who have been punished so far or have stuck by FFP and been denied trophies etc will be outraged".

If City are innocent then they've also stuck by the rules, no?

Your mask is slowly slipping.
 
TheMagicDragon said:
Either outcome is going to be a war - City are found innocent, every club who have been punished so far or have stuck by FFP and been denied trophies etc will be outraged. Then, if City are found guilty, there'll be a massive, lengthy process of appeals and legal wrangling.
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If there is no case to answer and we are innocent then no-one has been denied anything. All these government links of investments are unrelated and if you think that will sway an independent commission then you are sadly mistaken. If other clubs have failed PSR that's got nothing to do with us or this case.
 
Paladin said:
It's probably false. This would mean this guy gets to see both other votes before casting his own on every single decision. I can't see that being possible.
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I'd have thought that they'd have many, many discussions before giving verdict on each issue and would be aware of how each was leaning so I'd say it certainly is possible. Whether true or not I wouldn't hazard a guess though.

Edited for typo.
 
HelloCity said:
The UEFA case was based 100% on screenshots from a magazine and no other supporting documentation. I won't be surprised if the PL case is the same. What other information could they possibly have?

Also, can you explain why you said if City are found innocent "every club who have been punished so far or have stuck by FFP and been denied trophies etc will be outraged".

If City are innocent then they've also stuck by the rules, no?

Your mask is slowly slipping.
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The big question is if we are found not guilty, that means the highest sports court in Europe in CAS and then an independent panel set up by the Premier League will have rules in City’s favour. What more do people outside the club want?
 
waspish said:
Spot on but the January transfer is dead for one reason!? It got serious there is actually point deductions! Just look how that gets the owners really looking at the finances! So it tells you also that clubs were spending money they didn't have!

If this Carries on player wages will drop fees for players will drop...
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Never thought of that re. the impact on the window.

Deadline Day on Sky will be good,

"And over to Newcastle where they've had a delivery of stationery".

"Down at Villa a fan bought a bobble hat in the club shop" :-)

What a complete mess they have created in pandering to the drivers behind this.
 
HelloCity said:
The UEFA case was based 100% on screenshots from a magazine and no other supporting documentation. I won't be surprised if the PL case is the same. What other information could they possibly have?

Also, can you explain why you said if City are found innocent "every club who have been punished so far or have stuck by FFP and been denied trophies etc will be outraged".

If City are innocent then they've also stuck by the rules, no?

Your mask is slowly slipping.
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Not that slowly...
 
bluemanchester said:
Well put Dribble for that, you deserve your round of applause. What I find difficult to understand is how an organisation as big as UEFA could find us guilty, in the first place, on such flimsy evidence and on appeal to an authority such as CAS have it all thrown out with the statement " no evidence" ringing in UEFAs ears. Was the first hearing at UEFA corrupt, it certainly seems that way.
As to the other quote I have added by @avoidconfusion, maybe just maybe this is why the Premier League are bringing these breaches/charges against City because there is no appeal against a judgement. In that case are City relying entirely on the panel of the independant commission to reach their verdict without lobbying by the PL, when we all know what is thought of the PL as puppets of the red tops and spuds.
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Like the PL's relationship with the Red Top Mafia & Spuds, UEFA were terrified by the spectre of the ESL, so danced to any tune the G14 plucked on their battered banjo.

Because UEFA & the PL are essentially private members clubs, I don't think they understood how vehemently City would deny & defend these breaches, & the problems it'd bring them.

In 2014, Khaldoon did warn that we'd take a pinch that time, but if they came after us again, rather than pay a £30m fine, he'd spend that on the world's best lawyers & sink the lot of them!

UEFA's a private members club, so in their sphere we operate under their rules regardless of how unfair some may seem. But the moment we stepped out of their realm & into the real world where you can make all the accusations you like, but you actually need hard physical evidence to go with them, UEFA were essentially fucked. EG:

UEFA - The cheating bastards City got Sheikh Mansour to give Jaber Mohammed £30m, which he gave to City, claiming it was from a bridging loan on behalf of Etisalat.

CAS - Proof?

UEFA - Our Spidey senses were tingling.

CAS - So no bank transfer statements from HRH to Jaber Mohammed? No recordings? No witnesses?

UEFA - Nope! Just our tingling Spidey senses.

CAS - Get the fuck out, & try not to let the door slam you on the arse!

As for you City, hold this £10m fine for non-cooperation.

City - Coolio. HRH, dya wanna get this bill or shall we?

UEFA - Drat & double drat! We'd have got City if not for those pesky interfering CAS bastards!

As for appeals, the PL have a nine person panel, of which three are chosen at random to adjudicate. If we choose to appeal their decision, a further three are chosen to look over the case again.

The only way we can appeal beyond the PL, is if we believe there was something wrong with the actual nuts & bolts of the process, but NOT with the PL's decision itself.

With the government talking about setting up IREF in this Parliament, the PL are now desperate to get this process resolved in their favour before it's taken out of their hands by the Independent Regulator for English Football.

After announcing our tribunal's to be held this autumn, everyone's awaiting with interest the Telegraph's claim that the PL are to make a major announcement regarding City's breaches this week.

I'd hazard a bet that the PL are wishing they'd never commenced this bullshit, as they're drowning in a vat of excrement, all from their own secretions.
 
Dribble said:
After announcing our tribunal's to be held this autumn, everyone's awaiting with interest the Telegraph's claim that the PL are to make a major announcement regarding City's breaches this week.
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I've yet to see any concrete proof of this alleged claim...???
 
Dribble said:
No worries mate. We're generally a good bunch, but like all families we have an oddball or two. :-)

In terms of the 115 charges, it's actually more like 5 breaches recurring from 2009 up to 2018, with non-cooperation breach included on every breach to dramatically bump things up for effect!

Someone gave a brilliant analogy saying imagine if you got into a fight & were charged with assault. You threw 20 punches, so were given an assault charge for every punch thrown. That's exactly what the PL have done with their breaches regarding City. Absolutely crazy!

As for Everton & Forest, their situation is totally different to ours. They've gone over their permitted losses & aren't contesting those breaches. However both are putting forward mitigating circumstance as to the reasons why they went beyond their permitted £105m loss over three seasons limit.

Everton are claiming issues to do with the pandemic & new stadium costs as mitigating circumstances, & Forest have been hit because two of the seasons affecting them were in the Championship, which has a £60m permitted losses over three seasons limit. If you recall, Forest had to buy a whole new squad the season they came up, as most of their promotion squad were loan players.

UEFA/G14 have made accusations of false accounting against City, & we've denied those accusations as I outlined to you previously, hence our situation being totally different & far more complex that those of Forest & Everton.

Fans of the "bigger clubs" are clamouring for our demotion to the Northwest Counties Sunday League, the stripping of every title & Cup won since 2009, a £1bn fine for every guilty breach (because our crooked owner can afford it), & for Haaland & Pep to be paraded naked to the gates of the dilapidated Old Toilet stadium & publicly flogged. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

What opposition fans have failed to do is read beyond the sensationalist headlines & listen to anyone more coherent than the seriously unhinged Nick Harris who's apparently changed his name to Nick "City Are As Guilty As Fuck" Harris, to further get his anti-City agenda across.

Personally, I don't think the PL are driving this. Everone senses they know they're damaging their prized brand. It's the Red Top Mafia & Spuds who essentially run the PL who're behind this. The fans of Everton, Forest, Newcastle & Villa are slowly waking up to the reality of the situation.

Newcastle claim to be the richest club on the planet, but yet they can't afford the £7m loan fee City want for Kalvin Philips, through fear it'll tip them over the FFP edge.

However, ManUre & Spuds are in over £1bn debt each, but as long as they can make the bank repayments, they can spend several times the amount, debt-free Newcastle can. That's FFP/PSR for you!

FFP was never about debt. It was always about stopping City & PSG from challenging the European elite by creating a glass ceiling the chasing pack could never go beyond, hence protecting the hegemony of the G14 clubs.

The ongoing FFP/PSR gymnastics is all about further amending their rules to stop another City happening (as Newcastle & Villa are finding out), but in such a way it doesn't affect the Red Top Mafia & Spuds. It's a nasty business.

The issue the PL now have is that in constantly changing their rules so they can retrospectively keep going after City, everyone else is being caught up in their rules too, & they're threatening to kill by far the richest sporting league in history, all because of the Red Top Mafia & Spuds' deranged obsession of stopping City.

Look at this transfer window. Have you ever known one so quiet? Newcastle, Palace & WHU want Kalvin Philips on loan, but all are terrified of falling foul of FFP/PSR.

Ultimately, the PL are in the process of killing the goose which laid their golden egg, but if it stops City & an emerging Newcastle & Villa, the Red Top Mafia & Spuds don't care. Complete & utter madness! ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯
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And then the police charging you again because you didn't help them with there investigation
 
Norman kneejerk said:
That's a really clear summary of the main points.
Wonder what city s irrefutable evidence is in summary. Take a guess evidence of Etisalat paying the sponsorship money back, agreement made between them to pay it back that type of thing.
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The crazy thing is, the PL must know we've already supplied all this info to CAS, hence them throwing the case out.

Etisalat satisfied their bridging loan from financier Jaber Mohammed in 2015, as agreed in 2012. Case closed.

None of this makes a blind bit of sense, unless the PL believe they've got compelling new evidence to offer?

This is why I believe this whole debacle was commenced at the behest of the Red Top Mafia & Spuds, who at the very least have reasoned the reputational damage to City was worthwhile, even if they don't manage to nail us on the breaches.

HOWEVER, the one thing they evidently didn't consider was the damage they'd do to the Premier League in the process.

Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!
 
Dribble said:
Like the PL's relationship with the Red Top Mafia & Spuds, UEFA were terrified by the spectre of the ESL, so danced to any tune the G14 plucked on their battered banjo.

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Tend to agree with most of this, without a whistle blower of massive standing its baffling to anyone who read the CAS case how the PL get close to proving anything of the level they need.
 
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