PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Ric]

Has the Scouse dragon disappeared yet.

The dragon has been slayed.

 

[blue by birth]

The dragon has been slayed.

Well done St George

 

[ballbag]

If a guilty verdict comes in (NOT SAYING IT WILL), most fans of Liverpool, Arsenal etc are saying that stripping of titles etc is an absolute must. That'd be absolutely devastating, wouldn't it? Can't see it myself.

I see some of said fans desperately screaming that, but can't see it myself either, bud.

However, I'm no expert in these matters, but neither are they. I've been prepared for the worst outcome but have gradually become more confident the more the bollocks have been spouted.

EDIT: Appears you're sad enough to waste your time pretending to be someone you're not. What a weirdo.

 

[mancboy]

If a guilty verdict comes in (NOT SAYING IT WILL), most fans of Liverpool, Arsenal etc are saying that stripping of titles etc is an absolute must. That'd be absolutely devastating, wouldn't it? Can't see it myself.

Anybody actually buying this bullshit

 

[kaz7]

Anybody actually buying this bullshit

He has been binned off already

 

[Dribble]

I've yet to see any concrete proof of this alleged claim...???

That the PL are due to make a major announcement this week regarding City?

Someone posted a link to the Telegraph in this thread a few pages back. I've no idea what the announcement will be, so we can only wait & see.

Hopefully they'll just drop this bullshit & concede that in the game of move & counter move, smoke & mirrors to stop City, we out-foxed them & it's now time to stop destroying the PL & move on.

 

[mancboy]

He has been binned off already

Thank god

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

My sentiments exactly...white paper inbound, Redtops went into overdrive and forced the hand of masters and the league probably under the illusion that this would somehow show they could govern it themselves. Hence them showing face towards Everton and forest.

And what they have effectively done is basically accuse the powers that be of our club of multi-national widespread accountancy fraud - let that sink in a minute.

So masters and the PL better have total clarity and substantial proof to prove these accusations, because in the end (if proven) would be subject to class action lawsuits from external MCFC investors to our boardroom

And once these jumped up charges are proven incorrect, the fallout will be huge and we all know how it will play out in the short term....the red cartel will turn on masters and blame him and shout from the rooftops through their mouthpieces that he is incompetent

This is what Stefan and others have emphasised recently - that three man commission had better have very, very solid evidence indeed to find that the range of people and organisations involved have been complicit in fraud on such a scale and over such a time period. This has certainly sparked off a hysterical campaign in our "objective" media and, as is said frequently, we are already branded cheats and frauds and the severest sanctions are called for. To that extent City's reputation is damaged seriously and, if not permanently, at least in the long term.

On the other hand , the article in the Irish Examiner, published in February 2023, to which Stefan provided quotes, emphasises just how totally secret the PL process is - to the extent that we shall hear absolutely nothing until we get a bald statement of the "judgement". We can only guess at the charges, we know nothing of the evidence against us and although a date for the hearing has been fixed we cannot be told when it is or when the verdict may be announced. From the start there was cynicism, that the PL has no evidence and that the PL investigation was bumped by Levy & Co to inflict a maximum of damage to City's reputation and to scupper any attempt to introduce independent regulation of PL football.

What if Bluemooners have hit the nail firmly on the head? If the government ploughs on with its plans for independent regulation? This doesn't change the plan. When it is obvious that such regulation is definitely on the way (because the PL is bound to no date for a judgement) the redtops simply allow the charges to be dropped ( as they would have been anyway sometime). The PL say simply that the charges cannot be proven and the media go wild suggesting interference by the UK government, the Abu Dhabi government and all sorts of other conspirators
to save their influential cheating friends. Case "lost" but City's reputation destroyed. I don't think our owners will be deterred in any way at all but life may be a little more difficult and certain other clubs would certainly appear much more saintly.

 

[wolviedinho]

The crazy thing is, the PL must know we've already supplied all this info to CAS, hence them throwing the case out.

Etisalat satisfied their bridging loan from financier Jaber Mohammed in 2015, as agreed in 2012. Case closed.

None of this makes a blind bit of sense, unless the PL believe they've got compelling new evidence to offer?

This is why I believe this whole debacle was commenced at the behest of the Red Top Mafia & Spuds, who at the very least have reasoned the reputational damage to City was worthwhile, even if they don't manage to nail us on the breaches.

HOWEVER, the one thing they evidently didn't consider was the damage they'd do to the Premier League in the process.

Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!

Killing the goose to join a bigger goose in the super league. City used as collateral damage.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Not fooling anyone on here.

Exactly. Three or four posts now with snide digs in, only couched in terms of him simply reporting what our detractors are saying. My money’s on dipper…..

 

[wolviedinho]

He has been binned off already

Good! I took a ban for that prick. You can smell them a mile off.

 

[Dribble]

And then the police charging you again because you didn't help them with there investigation

Exactly!

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

The crazy thing is, the PL must know we've already supplied all this info to CAS, hence them throwing the case out.

Etisalat satisfied their bridging loan from financier Jaber Mohammed in 2015, as agreed in 2012. Case closed.

None of this makes a blind bit of sense, unless the PL believe they've got compelling new evidence to offer?

This is why I believe this whole debacle was commenced at the behest of the Red Top Mafia & Spuds, who at the very least have reasoned the reputational damage to City was worthwhile, even if they don't manage to nail us on the breaches.

HOWEVER, the one thing they evidently didn't consider was the damage they'd do to the Premier League in the process.

Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!

We just don't know to what extent will the PL charges differ from the ones that failed at CAS.

Will the PL follow the example of the YouTube attack video believed to be commissioned by LFC owners i.e. the FSG/New York Times consortium.



Our beloved friend Nicky Harris and a NYT hack make the astonishing claim (approx 50 mins) that former City exec Simon Pearce committed perjury at CAS. A crime that carries a seven year prison sentence in Switzerland. They assert that when asked if Pearce personally arranged payments from HHSM to MCFC he lied when he absolutely denied it without equivocation.

So if the PL are to make the same accusation to the IC surely that is not a dispute about MCFC breaking the rules of the PL. Its another example of a criminal matter like "false accounting" and "overstating revenues".
As a lay person Its hard too understand how a guilty verdict on the most serious charges would make it impossible for the Police/DPP/SFO not to intervene.

The PL must know this, we thought they went nuclear when they announced the charges but are they really prepared to escalate into criminality in order to shaft City.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Thx the main point I'm getting from that is the bit at the end where it says it was payable to.ADUG not City.
So in other words to payback what ADUG had already paid out .

That was the evidence provided to CAS, yes. Mohamed Z, who transferred the money originally from ADUG to the club, it says, was an employee of ADUG. If we are being nit-picky, when ADUG transferred the funds in advance of receipt from Etisalat the money should have been recorded in an ADUG current account, I think, not deducted from the amount owed by Etisalat (because they hadn't actually paid it to ADUG yet). But that is a small thing. Nothing particularly "fraudy" about it.

As I say, though. Etihad is the bigger issue.

 

[vincent]

That the PL are due to make a major announcement this week regarding City?

Someone posted a link to the Telegraph in this thread a few pages back. I've no idea what the announcement will be, so we can only wait & see.

Hopefully they'll just drop this bullshit & concede that in the game of move & counter move, smoke & mirrors to stop City, we out-foxed them & it's now time to stop destroying the PL & move on.

Can’t see that when only a few days ago Masters confirmed a date for the hearing has been set. If all charges are going to be dropped he wouldn’t have said that.

 

[Dribble]

Tend to agree with most of this, without a whistle blower of massive standing its baffling to anyone who read the CAS case how the PL get close to proving anything of the level they need.

This is what's so odd. Most people who've read beyond the hysterical "115 Charges" headlines, are struggling to see where the PL are going with this.

If they haven't got compelling new evidence, or a high value whistle-blower, after the CAS decision, what exactly is the point in all of this?

 

[Dribble]

Killing the goose to join a bigger goose in the super league. City used as collateral damage.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

However, how does the government announcement banning clubs from joining the ESL & remaining in English Football affect the Red Top Mafia & Spuds?

 

[Kamaro011]

Thanks for that pal. Weird how anyone asking any kind of question apart from "Why are City being persecuted for nothing?!" is instantly a wind up. What I will say is that if City are found innocent, the Premier League need suing. 115 charges is insane if not proven. On the other hand, with Everton being docked 10 points for a lesser charge, surely a guilty punishment would be huge? What are your thoughts on Everton and Forest btw? I'm wondering if the PL have made them patsies so they can slip these charges on City and then say "See, its not just you!".

Do you think stripping titles to appease the "bigger clubs" is the agenda?

If a guilty verdict comes in (NOT SAYING IT WILL), most fans of Liverpool, Arsenal etc are saying that stripping of titles etc is an absolute must. That'd be absolutely devastating, wouldn't it? Can't see it myself.

There will be no title strippings. The potential lawsuit especially any relegation teams where City win in that season is not worth for it.

 

[Gaz (FMwkdsoul)]

This is what's so odd. Most people who've read beyond the hysterical "115 Charges" headlines, are struggling to see where the PL are going with this.

If they haven't got compelling new evidence, or a high value whistle-blower, after the CAS decision, what exactly is the point in all of this?

Beat the white report recommending an independent regulator, 'look we can keep our house in order!' and pandoras box is open and they are looking fucked.

 

[Iassel]

If they find us guilty under the balance of probabilities, with the overriding inference of fraud, than City are able to take this to a proper Court.

Sorry TH, you’re going to have to corroborate that claim with a source - it’s clear that City have tried and failed to move this to a commercial court already, and the PL rules are clear that the only appeal route is back to another tribunal on procedural grounds.