VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

[Blue Mist]

The reality is however you cut it the margins of the rules will work for and against one team over another. Someone will always get pissed off.

Imagine that scenario was reversed and it was the rags that had scored that goal. Replays show he's a toe offside but benefit given to the attacker. We would all be having the same arguments.

Ultimately rules have to set a line and every decision has to fall one way or the other.

Gutted for Coventry but I don't fault the rules or the process. Although I would like to see a margin of error on these lines and benefit given to the referee decision.

You are looking at it from a 'perfect' scenario. There is no such thing. 40,000 Coventry fans watched their team come back from 3 down. In the last seconds they scored a winner that was beyond their dreams only to be denied by Var and 1 millimetre. That is not how football should be played. The whole spirit of the game has been taken away.

 

[Kippax77]

You are looking at it from a 'perfect' scenario. There is no such thing. 40,000 Coventry fans watched their team come back from 3 down. In the last seconds they scored a winner that was beyond their dreams only to be denied by Var and 1 millimetre. That is not how football should be played. The whole spirit of the game has been taken away.

I truly believe that goal would stand against any other team bar utd.
David Gill, scruffy Jim and the rest looked menacing yesterday

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Although I think Twatwell is a cheating ****, I don’t think his performance yesterday had a anything to do with his perceived support of Luton, in fact thats more a badge of convenience just like rag twat Alty. No, I think it was more a case of not contradicting his mate and maybe embarrassing him on the field. Lovable scousers rogue referee Mike Dean admitted on occasion he didn’t intervene from the VAR bunker because he was watching his mates back. Now a convenient effect of Twatwell‘s lack of honesty may well have been a boost to Luton, but doubt that was his motive.

The problem is until the secrecy is dropped and PGMOL have openess and proper accountability they will continue to be questioned. I think it's about time more clubs called out their appalling decision making. If Forest think its down to bias, fair play to them for saying so.
PGMOL it's down to you to prove otherwise. Why the secrecy , why make refs sign NDAs. ??

 

[TinFoilHat]

I truly believe that goal would stand against any other team bar utd.
David Gill, scruffy Jim and the rest looked menacing yesterday

As soon as the thought of VAR review crossed our minds I think we all knew what the outcome would be.

The FA could have marketed a David V Goliath cup final. With us playing the pantomime bad guys. Instead they were thinking about TV audiences in Singapore.

I'm in no doubt they will want to kill the game in the final and probably play for penalties. A real spectacle for the neutrals....

 

[TinFoilHat]

The problem is until the secrecy is dropped and PGMOL have openess and proper accountability they will continue to be questioned. I think it's about time more clubs called out their appalling decision making. If Forest think its down to bias, fair play to them for saying so.
PGMOL it's down to you to prove otherwise. Why the secrecy , why make refs sign NDAs. ??

Remember a few years ago Kevin Friend got removed from title deciding game because he was exposed as a Leicester fan and there was potential of unconscious bias.

If Twatwell is a Luton fan it explains why he mostly gets top of the league games in VAR. However he shouldn't have been doing the game at Goodison for the same reason friend was removed from his match a few years ago.

 

[Decepticon]

We have a great VAR offside tech implemented in Europe. All this talk that you hear to remove VAR is probably to help the red Mafia push their narrative again. Whatever they want I will vote against .. feck em.

 

[Saddleworth2]

You are looking at it from a 'perfect' scenario. There is no such thing. 40,000 Coventry fans watched their team come back from 3 down. In the last seconds they scored a winner that was beyond their dreams only to be denied by Var and 1 millimetre. That is not how football should be played. The whole spirit of the game has been taken away.

Impossible to say that goal was offside. The margin was just too close. no justification at all to disallow it.
really feel sorry for the Coventry fans.

 

[Silva Citizen]

We have a great VAR offside tech implemented in Europe. All this talk that you hear to remove VAR is probably to help the red Mafia push their narrative again. Whatever they want I will vote against .. feck em.

They make the referees job hard. Offside would be easier and fairer if the rule was changed to being onside if any part of your body is onside (clear daylight needed for offside)

 

[bluenova]

They make the referees job hard. Offside would be easier and fairer if the rule was changed to being onside if any part of your body is onside (clear daylight needed for offside)

There will be a lot of goals if an attacker can stand goalside of a defender. Imagine the Rudiger/Haaland battles if it was Haaland that could stand goal side, and hold back Rudiger.

More goals is always good, but I'd like to see it trialled as it could really change the game.

 

[ancoats]

Impossible to say that goal was offside. The margin was just too close. no justification at all to disallow it.
really feel sorry for the Coventry fans.

The rules should be fair for both sides,
You just can not give that goal as offside because of the fine margins involved, 100% if United scored that goal it would not even go to Var or they would say they looked and the goal stands and the referee blows for full-time.

Coventry City was robbed in clear day light and they never used a mask to rob them

 

[levets]

Where is the margin of error that should be given to the attacking player, The technology is not 100% so how can you call it offside, Both blue and red lines looked like they were overlapping each other so the advantage should be the attacking player,

Can we go back and take a look at the mistakes the referees were making before VAR to what is happening in the game today, The clear and obvious errors the Referees were making we could all take and put down as human error,

But VAR with match referees controlling the technology and making errors is unacceptable and should be stopped

That new ‘margin of error’ that only Marcus Rashford has ever received v Liverpool at the start of last season

 

[levets]

They make the referees job hard. Offside would be easier and fairer if the rule was changed to being onside if any part of your body is onside (clear daylight needed for offside)

Should be the ‘heel’ of the attackers trailing foot. This way we won’t get issues like yesterday where the Cov player is a size 11 foot, but Wanbissaka is a size 7.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Worth reading.

 

[kaz7]

Where are the var lovers today , nothing to say then ?

If that had been a rag scoring that goal it wouldnt have been disallowed , we all know it

 

[jim tolmies perm]

Should be the ‘heel’ of the attackers trailing foot. This way we won’t get issues like yesterday where the Cov player is a size 11 foot, but Wanbissaka is a size 7.

Well the toe being rolled over by the line makes it a size 7

 

[halfcenturyup]

We have a great VAR offside tech implemented in Europe. All this talk that you hear to remove VAR is probably to help the red Mafia push their narrative again. Whatever they want I will vote against .. feck em.

How does this great VAR offside tech work, out of interest? I don't mean in principle. I mean in detail.

For example: what is the resolution of the VAR cameras? How accurately is the kick point determined? What are the 29 data points? How are the data from the data points collected? How, and how accurately, is data interpolated between frames? How are the graphics drawn and what is the error tolerance?

You may think these aren't important questions, but if SAOT is being sold on improved accuracy, we should be able to convince ourselves that such accuracy exists and we shouldn't be fooled by a nice graphic showing a perfectly accurate position if the underlying system has accuracy flaws. Don't forget the accuracy paradox: the more accurate you try to be, the more variables you are opening up that can be inaccurate. Also don't forget that leg movement in 1/100 of a second can be 5-10 cm.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I said it previously... VAR has changed football for the worse.

We're all so confused now. The refs, pgmol, the clubs, the fans. Meanwhile the company that runs it makes money.

Before VAR we knew what handball was ffs

 

[stonerblue]

How does this great VAR offside tech work, out of interest? I don't mean in principle. I mean in detail.

For example: what is the resolution of the VAR cameras? How accurately is the kick point determined? What are the 29 data points? How are the data from the data points collected? How, and how accurately, is data interpolated between frames? How are the graphics drawn and what is the error tolerance?

You may think these aren't important questions, but if SAOT is being sold on improved accuracy, we should be able to convince ourselves that such accuracy exists and we shouldn't be fooled by a nice graphic showing a perfectly accurate position if the underlying system has accuracy flaws. Don't forget the accuracy paradox: the more accurate you try to be, the more variables you are opening up that can be inaccurate. Also don't forget that leg movement in 1/100 of a second can be 5-10 cm.

In the still of the rags offside it looks like the Coventry player is moving away from goal (or at least leaning) and Bissaka is running toward goal.
I wonder what percentage of a second it takes for foot position to change?

 

[stonerblue]

I said it previously... VAR has changed football for the worse.

We're all so confused now. The refs, pgmol, the clubs, the fans. Meanwhile the company that runs it makes money.

Before VAR we knew what handball was ffs

One yesterday (think it was Young) was absolutely nailed on in my book, but i dont think they even vard it

 

[SWPISHOME]

After all the drama yesterday, I'm still trying to get my head around it all today, It's crazy really.

I was reading articles on what Carragher and Neville had to say regarding the Nottingham Forest penalty claims. Now, Instead of going into the penalty claims that should have been awarded, They don't!

They instead attack Nottingham Forest FC and the statement that they released, Why? It's all Sky Sports and Pundits and Propaganda...
Why didn't they "back" Nottingham Forest FC and say "Come on PGMOL let's hear what you've to say as to why Nottingham Forest haven't been awarded blatant penalties, Along with the truth behind Stuart Atwell".

Then they go on to say that Mark Clattenburg should "Resign", This isn't the first time that they've said that a staff member from football clubs OR managers "should resign". How fucking dare they say something like that, Who the fuck are those pair of cunts to tell somebody to resign! Carragher and Neville telling somebody to resign, Really?? Wow.

As for the Coventry disallowed goal, It's blatant cheating, Just like the Nottingham Forest game. It's cheating! We all know that Wright was onside...

How on earth the officiating in this country can get away with it is crazy! Coventry like Nottingham Forest are well within their right to release a statement looking for answers as to why they were "cheated" out of an FA Cup Final.

Football is shit, It's fucked and it can simply Fuck Off.