Keir Starmer

He will get stuck in at least , short honeymoon if one at all, patience required

The key sentiment. He’s got about 5 years as long as the economic cycle doesn’t mess things up, but with a supermajority, he can have no complaints after 5 yrs, IF he can convince the country (and the increasingly disparate factions within it) that he is on the right path to long-term peace and prosperity.
 
When does the soft coup begin and will Sunak barricade himself in No. 10 or simply have the Hurrah Henry’s block the gates to Downing Street with their fox hunt chums?

Americans need to know the right isn’t just going rollover and give up power just because of a silly election! That’s so 2016!!!
 
Exit Poll to current (9 to declare):
Labour - spot on
Conservative - actual down 12
LibDems - actual up 10
SNP - actual up 2
Greens - actual up 2
Reform - actual down 9
 
you have your majority Starmer, use it wisely, as it is surely a paper thin majority under the surface..... no change in vote share?!?! that seems very poor
 
you have your majority Starmer, use it wisely, as it is surely a paper thin majority under the surface..... no change in vote share?!?! that seems very poor
He has played a blinder by carrying out a tactical campaign focusing on marginals and seats where the Tories were known to be most vulnerable, presumably knowing that there wasn’t huge widespread enthusiasm for him.
It’s given him 5 years to deliver something tangible that he hopes will enthuse a lot more people that will deliver more voters at the next election.
If he governs well he will take the wind out of Reform’s sails because with a bit more scrutiny hopefully they’ll get shown up as the bullshitters that they are.
For now though, he’s done what he had to do and played it perfectly.
 
He has played a blinder by carrying out a tactical campaign focusing on marginals and seats where the Tories were known to be most vulnerable, presumably knowing that there wasn’t huge widespread enthusiasm for him.
It’s given him 5 years to deliver something tangible that he hopes will enthuse a lot more people that will deliver more voters at the next election.
If he governs well he will take the wind out of Reform’s sails because with a bit more scrutiny hopefully they’ll get shown up as the bullshitters that they are.
For now though, he’s done what he had to do and played it perfectly.
yes he does now have some years to grow his supporter base, I agree. Question is, does he have long enough to unpick some of the knots that the Conservatives have left him to grow that base!
 
yes he does now have some years to grow his supporter base, I agree. Question is, does he have long enough to unpick some of the knots that the Conservatives have left him to grow that base!
Yes, that’s his challenge. I have no idea whether he’ll be successful and could easily come unstuck due to external factors. Something like Trump winning at the end of the year could change the whole world for the worse for example.
 
you have your majority Starmer, use it wisely, as it is surely a paper thin majority under the surface..... no change in vote share?!?! that seems very poor

Streeting said on the BBC last night that Starmer could be literally driving to the Palace in the car and people would still say "it's been a tough night for Labour".

He's just won the biggest majority in a generation, wiping out the opposition in a historic win. It's not "very poor", it's a complete landslide with a huge mandate
 
Streeting said on the BBC last night that Starmer could be literally driving to the Palace in the car and people would still say "it's been a tough night for Labour".

He's just won the biggest majority in a generation, wiping out the opposition in a historic win. It's not "very poor", it's a complete landslide with a huge mandate

Streeting should have gone.
 
Streeting said on the BBC last night that Starmer could be literally driving to the Palace in the car and people would still say "it's been a tough night for Labour".

He's just won the biggest majority in a generation, wiping out the opposition in a historic win. It's not "very poor", it's a complete landslide with a huge mandate
I compared it to City winning the title again with over 100 points next year but the press saying we didn’t score as many goals so we were shit.

Negative slant is put on everything.
 


It doesn’t seem like the public have much enthusiasm for labour - quite a low vote share for a majority


I don't think Labour's majority guarantees success as voting behaviour is becoming increasingly volatile.

To be fair to Labour, there are now more slices of the pie and I suspect that having a significant lead in the polls suppressed their vote share somewhat.
 


It doesn’t seem like the public have much enthusiasm for labour - quite a low vote share for a majority


I think this fails to take into account the level of tactical voting that has gone on here which you can see in the Lib Dem vote.

If you tot up the totals on the left and right it is the same story as always:

Con/Ref - 38%
Labour/Lib/Green/PC/SNP - 55%
Others - 7%

This is roughly how it’s been for decades. Though it is actually a slight reduction of the right wing vote probably as a result of demographic changes.

Labour knew they didn’t need 40% of the vote because of the Tory/Reform split, they just needed to make sure the vote splitting was efficient, and that’s exactly what they achieved. I don’t think you can easily say that this means people don’t care for Labour, I think it just means the desire to consign the Tories to history was greater.
 
I think this fails to take into account the level of tactical voting that has gone on here which you can see in the Lib Dem vote.

If you tot up the totals on the left and right it is the same story as always:

Con/Ref - 38%
Labour/Lib/Green/PC/SNP - 55%
Others - 7%

This is roughly how it’s been for decades. Though it is actually a slight reduction of the right wing vote probably as a result of demographic changes.

Labour knew they didn’t need 40% of the vote because of the Tory/Reform split, they just needed to make sure the vote splitting was efficient, and that’s exactly what they achieved. I don’t think you can easily say that this means people don’t care for Labour, I think it just means the desire to consign the Tories to history was greater.

Spot on. A lot of it is copium both from the right and the left. Fact is, a lot of this result is down to Starmer. People don’t want to hear it, but making it ‘safe’ for people to vote Labour, or for people to vote LD and not worry about Labour in power is a key reason yesterday happened.

Turning a 80 seat Tory majority in 2019 into a 170 Labour majority in 2024 is remarkable.
 
I think this fails to take into account the level of tactical voting that has gone on here which you can see in the Lib Dem vote.

If you tot up the totals on the left and right it is the same story as always:

Con/Ref - 38%
Labour/Lib/Green/PC/SNP - 55%
Others - 7%

This is roughly how it’s been for decades. Though it is actually a slight reduction of the right wing vote probably as a result of demographic changes.

Labour knew they didn’t need 40% of the vote because of the Tory/Reform split, they just needed to make sure the vote splitting was efficient, and that’s exactly what they achieved. I don’t think you can easily say that this means people don’t care for Labour, I think it just means the desire to consign the Tories to history was greater.
If you clump all the parties together on either side yea, but I don’t think you can. Labour and Lib Dem voters can be very different depending on the area.

I think it’s pretty clear there isn’t an enthusiasm for labour. Corbyn got more votes in previous elections. As you say it was a vote stop the tories.

Labour and the conservatives have now won large majorities where vast swathes of the public aren’t voting for them.
 

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