PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

terraloon said:
There is the point. In an agreed settlement you agree such sanctions with the PL ( yes they have to be rubber stamped by a panel ) but at an IC the sanctions aren’t decided by the PL
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:) I'm not buying it. The PL would be opening itself up to huge problems if it settled a breach that gave rise to a sporting advantage with a financial sanction when it lobbied the IC for sporting sanctions for Everton's and Forest's breaches. They could possibly do it, but I doubt they will. And if they do, they deserve everything they get.
 
Metal Biker said:
Someone's going to need to summarise it for me here (i'm not trawling through 50-odd pages to get the gist.)

But what is with the sudden negativity on here? Usually this thread is about Robbie Fowler, "is it football or soccer?", sexiest Corrie character and the like. Now it's talk of points deductions, Fleetwood Town, Northern Premier League and lawsuits.

What the fuck has happened?
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Nothing but just noise pollution . It’s called side effect of 4 in a row.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Apparently Crafton is US based. These latest leaks have come from a PL club director and former coach. There have been constant leaks to the New York Times and the Times. My money is on that, like the earlier leaks, they are connected to LFC. I understand Ratcliffe has distanced United from the ongoing dirty tricks campaign because he needs Government help and overseas investment for the stadium plans.
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Former coach? Not some German bloke who worked for a club at the other end of the East Lancs Road per chance? Having said that, Klopp has often flip-flopped on this issue. We had his disgraceful "Bad day for football" comment when we were cleared at CAS yet at the end last season he also said regardless of what happens, no manager other than Pep could've won 4 PL titles in a row with us.

As for Ratcliffe, it could also be that he has some kind of working relationship with the people who run our club that pre-dates his involvement with United and that he knows we've done nothing wrong. United fans certainly don't like to be reminded of his gushing comments towards us a few months ago!
 
Norbiton said:
Somebody, perhaps Stefan, has pointed out that these top lawyers are very busy people and the panel won’t be sitting every day for ten weeks, it’s the period during which there’s enough room in the diaries of all concerned for the days required
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I think that’s a fair comment but as was witnessed in the Forest Case or was it the Leicester Case) these hearing progress even when lead isn’t available
 
malg said:
I'm lost in all of this now. No fucking idea what's going on. The only people in work who even mention it are two of the arrogant Rag types - the ones who don't go to games and supported them through Uni when they were successful. You could genuinely describe them as bitters. However, they're the ones who are very, very, very easy to wind up, so I quite enjoy it when they decide to interact about footie.
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Just tell them your favorite line, “i’ll take 1-1 right now “ and confuse them ;)
 
halfcenturyup said:
:) I'm not buying it. The PL would be opening itself up to huge problems if it settled a breach that gave rise to a sporting advantage with a financial sanction when it lobbied the IC for sporting sanctions for Everton's and Forest's breaches. They could possibly do it, but I doubt they will. And if they do, they deserve everything they get.
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That’s a fair point but again I refer to the Masters comments . He is setting the ground for something and yes it could be a series of charges but I am not sure that’s a given.
In the extreme I am not even dismissing the possibility that nothing happens .Yes I know that’s wishful thinking
No doubt just like many things in life I may well be wrong and no I don’t think RA was close to squeaky clean in these issues and yes I would imagine if he was still around the sh1t would hit the fan but he isn’t and there again I somehow doubt that he would have sanctioned disclose to the authorities.
 
terraloon said:
That’s a fair point but again I refer to the Masters comments . He is setting the ground for something and yes it could be a series of charges but I am not sure that’s a given.
In the extreme I am not even dismissing the possibility that nothing happens .Yes I know that’s wishful thinking
No doubt just like many things in life I may well be wrong and no I don’t think RA was close to squeaky clean in these issues and yes I would imagine if he was still around the sh1t would hit the fan but he isn’t and there again I somehow doubt that he would have sanctioned disclose to the authorities.
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No problem. I can understand you hoping for a favourable way (to Chelsea) out.

But Masters did say his job was to enforce the rules. I was assuming he meant enforce them equitably. More stupid me, though.

Interesting you think the Chelsea case will be finished before City. Could be good or bad for us, I suppose. It's all bad for the PL in my view.
 
terraloon said:
I don’t doubt that but I would imagine ours will be done and dusted within a couple of months and yes way before yours is resolved
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Ah thought your post was about Man City 130 fake charges!

Don't think you get fined think it be expulsion to Sunday league [emoji23]

Honestly am not bothered what any other club do! But the only punishment should be transfer bans and a reduced squad for a season say you have 20 players you can use plus under 21 players!
 
halfcenturyup said:
No problem. I can understand you hoping for a favourable way (to Chelsea) out.

But Masters did say his job was to enforce the rules. I was assuming he meant enforce them equitably. More stupid me, though.

Interesting you think the Chelsea case will be finished before City. Could be good or bad for us, I suppose. It's all bad for the PL in my view.
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The inevitable but sad point in all this that despite the holier than though comments from a lot of other clubs officials and supporters must clubs have bent or ignored rules I would imagine that most clubs are a whistleblower away from charges.

I go back to the issues that we have supposedly self reported ( we don’t know exactly what they are ) and the data leaks many of the listed issues are to a degree interpretation of an email, a bank transaction or an opinion. On the face of it many are obvious but as has been said on here on many occasions the evidence has to cogent and case proved by the PL there almost certainly will be a void by the PL not being able to access RAs records or indeed get his side of the story.

As I said I just get the feeling that Masters is setting the scene for something and yes I feel be there charges, no charges a settlement or whatever it will be resolved way before the outcome of yours is announced
 
St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:
'Irrefutable evidence' is all I care about.

Please stop worrying about the likes of crafton,click bait articles such as the Athletic, and these club executives...

It's a smear campaign. Always has been amd always will be.
Where are HMRC? The police? If we have commited business fraud to the degree we are being accused of ?
Who audits our accounts? Posts them with companies house?? All these personnel would be in the dock.Berrada aswell.

It's all fucking hot air.

The allegations are all historic. Pre our 4 in a row so there is zero chance of titles being taken off us imo. Relax everyone. Enjoy summer.

See you at Chelsea on Sunday.
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What I worry about is the narrative of our club for the last 10+ years and all lawyers have a team! All they have to think is that the people who are given evidence are lying if they think that they can vote against us
 
M18CTID said:
Former coach? Not some German bloke who worked for a club at the other end of the East Lancs Road per chance? Having said that, Klopp has often flip-flopped on this issue. We had his disgraceful "Bad day for football" comment when we were cleared at CAS yet at the end last season he also said regardless of what happens, no manager other than Pep could've won 4 PL titles in a row with us.

As for Ratcliffe, it could also be that he has some kind of working relationship with the people who run our club that pre-dates his involvement with United and that he knows we've done nothing wrong. United fans certainly don't like to be reminded of his gushing comments towards us a few months ago!
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Ratcliffe knows Khaldoon personally. He also knows that Khaldoon, as well as being City Chairman, is CEO of the main Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund and is always looking for investment opportunities.
 
Please excuse my ignorance on this 115 charges. I've kept up with the threads since Feb23, and read the reasoned arguments of why we are/ are not guilty and recently have become very sanguine about it, feeling its a witch hunt and City, will eventually be exonerated - similarly to the CAS judgement, but as the smear campaign from vested interest Red Cartel clubs and their various media shills, the damage has been done.

OK so I know we are 4 hours away from the new PL campaign opener (* PL guaranteed Rags win, they are back.....) but why has the narrative suddenly reverted- even on here to City are guilty again?? What's changed? Can someone please briefly enlighten me, I'd be grateful.
 
terraloon said:
The inevitable but sad point in all this that despite the holier than though comments from a lot of other clubs officials and supporters must clubs have bent or ignored rules I would imagine that most clubs are a whistleblower away from charges.

I go back to the issues that we have supposedly self reported ( we don’t know exactly what they are ) and the data leaks many of the listed issues are to a degree interpretation of an email, a bank transaction or an opinion. On the face of it many are obvious but as has been said on here on many occasions the evidence has to cogent and case proved by the PL there almost certainly will be a void by the PL not being able to access RAs records or indeed get his side of the story.

As I said I just get the feeling that Masters is setting the scene for something and yes I feel be there charges, no charges a settlement or whatever it will be resolved way before the outcome of yours is announced
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So Everton get points deduction for a bit of overspending but Chelsea get fined for potentially massive off the books payments to players and agents directly leading to the capture of players like hazzard who win them trophies and are sold to Real Madrid for how much ?
 
69FACUPfinal said:
Please excuse my ignorance on this 115 charges. I've kept up with the threads since Feb23, and read the reasoned arguments of why we are/ are not guilty and recently have become very sanguine about it, feeling its a witch hunt and City, will eventually be exonerated - similarly to the CAS judgement, but as the smear campaign from vested interest Red Cartel clubs and their various media shills, the damage has been done.

OK so I know we are 4 hours away from the new PL campaign opener (* PL guaranteed Rags win, they are back.....) but why has the narrative suddenly reverted- even on here to City are guilty again?? What's changed? Can someone please briefly enlighten me, I'd be grateful.
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Fanny wipes.
Hope that helps
 
Kippax77 said:
Fanny wipes.
Hope that helps
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It does somewhat!! Ta. I'm probably very stupid, but until this week I was fairly relaxed about it, although admit to annoyance at that shyster Pougatch just casually (like hell it was) reminding the ITV audience/ EVERYONE just prior to the FA charity shield. Has it ramped up again since then - have Masters and Neville been spouting this week as well - hence the worry resurfacing? ( btw asking as am out of loop with media atm due to family illness). X
 
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