EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Happy to trade with the EU, happy to work there, happy to go on holiday there, happy for the security services to cooperate with EU countries like we do with non-EU countries - I'm not happy with being governed by the EU though
 
Yaya_Tony said:
That's shite. @hamaanpineapple. The reason I'm voting remain is for my kids. My grandparents who dealt with Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin think an out vote is stupid and ridiculous. My daughters and her friends would vote in.
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What single handed? I don't think so.

What age are they? Must being doing really well for more than one of them to be still around - not that I am suggesting that you could be 'overstating' given the calm and considered manner of the posts of yours that I have seen.

My father fought in the 2nd world war and he is still alive. At a recent reunion where there were others still surviving - whilst this was not a main topic of conversation when the subject did come up - all the old 'uns were unanimous in being for Leave - not one was remotely in the remain campaign.

And all that about thinking an out vote being stupid?? - Well your grandparents must be very untypical - all the ones I spoke to could not see past the view that it is a betrayal of all they fought for - basically giving Germany the control they fought against.

Whilst that is not a view I would share in a Europe of 2016 you could understand war veterans having that view - as I say your grandparents must just be really special and well-balanced - I can see where you get it from.
 
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EalingBlue2 said:
Hear hear - my forefathers certainly didn't fight for divisiveness and the likes of Farage and Johnson either. My great great grandfather was an unarmed stretcher bearer on the Somme, a pacifist but one who rather than refuse to enlist, enlisted but refused to carry a gun.

Actually that's it's not completely true I did have a deeply racist grandfather from Thanet who wanted Mandela executed and complained about how the smell of curry was ruining Britian and that was before Maastricht and the EU. He would've been the one family member who probably would have gone against the rest.
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Fuck me another one - did you have dinner with them recently or are you conversing via a Ouija Board? I am lucky enough to speak to my dad and get his views direct - if not I would have more respect than to assume his views simply for keyboard warrior convenience.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Fuck me another one - did you have dinner with them really or are you conversing via a Ouija Board? I am lucky enough to speak to my dad and get his views direct - if not I would have more respect than to assume his views simply for keyboard warrior convenience.
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You have him nailed
A made up post, you can smell the bullshit from 12,000 miles away
 
I was on the fence but leaning towards in. I have now made up my mind and I am definitely voting to stay in.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Fuck me another one - did you have dinner with them really or are you conversing via a Ouija Board? I am lucky enough to speak to my dad and get his views direct - if not I would have more respect than to assume his views simply for keyboard warrior convenience.
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In all fairness I do vaguely remember my grandad pulling me to one side in the 80's and saying " listen son if in 30 years time we have uncontrolled immigration embrace it, it's why I fought in Burma to give Romanians the chance of a cleaning job"
 
KippaxCitizen said:
But we won't save money, we'll lose money because we'll miss out on so many of the benefits of being in the EU and I reckon the EU will make a point of being hard to work with, with us, because they won't want others to leave so negotiating our own trade like Norway do won't happen because if it's that easy for us it'll be that easy for everyone else and in the end many will leave the EU.

We will be a poorer country if we leave
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I understand what you mean, but in the end they can't afford to be a pain to us either. We import a lot off them. They won't want us to stop buying the same amounts because of the impact on their economy. We could save money on trade agreements with other countries; are fastest growing markets are India, China, South Korea and the US. None of which we have trade agreements with. Switzerland have negotiated around 35 trillion worth of trade agreements, but the EU only opens up 5 trillion to us.

I genuinely believe trade is one of the most arguments to leave the EU; they will always need to trade with us, we're interdependent, that's globalisation. Our trade with the EU has been declining year on year as a % of our total trade, it's becoming more irrelevant, it's the worlds only stagnant trade bloc. The old man is a CEO for a business and half of their trade is with the EU, with the rest mainly US and China, he knows it won't affect them that much if we leave.

Much more compelling reasons are the financial services etc...
 
EalingBlue2 said:
That is extremely offensive to people who risked their lives and in the case of quite a few of my forefathers died fighting or in the case of pacifist risked life and limb to save comrades , but I doubt you meant it as offensively as it could be taken. They fought precisely so Europe could be peaceful , tolerant and strongly against the ideology of people like Farage.
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Seeing as I am behind by 30 pages or so I assume that you have had been appropriately blasted for this disgusting post. Just how the fuck dare you post as if you have some right to speak as if you know the views of all those brave people that fought the wars - you arrogant and pompous fuckwit.

Really - did you have detailed conversations with your forefathers years ago where you discussed the possibility of a Brexit and garnered their views - I think that you are offensive to their memory by treating their sacrifices so casually just to support your blathering on an internet forum.

I was just speaking to my dad earlier as it is fathers days - so I can tell you the view of a real person that fought - rather than some view you invent.

It would be that you can fuck right off - or go bury your head even further up your arse than it already seems to be.
 
hilts said:
In all fairness I do vaguely remember my grandad pulling me to one side in the 80's and saying " listen son if in 30 years time we have uncontrolled immigration embrace it, it's why I fought in Burma to give Romanians the chance of a cleaning job"
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That made me laugh out loud. Thanks.
 
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