Ederson or Hart. Who gets into the team of the decade?

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Ballet-on-ice said:
I get the feeling that Joe Hart is unfairly being airbrushed from recent history, mainly because of his sudden exit from the club due to the change in playing style under Guardiola. But Hart is our most successful keeper. He's won 2 league medals, 1 fa Cup and 2 league Cup medals and has also been England's nmbr 1 for the best part of 6 to 7 years. Its a shame his career has took a nosedive but, along with people like Kompany, Aguero and Silva; he should be remembered as a player who was part of the new dawn of this fantastic club.

Ederson though is a different keeper from Hart... Calm, commanding, confident and assured. I never get nervous when the ball gets to his feet because I know he will deal with it efficiently and he will distribute it with the coolest of touch to a teammate. His shot stopping and box presence are up there with best.

So, if you were asked to pick your team of the decade who would your keeper be?
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Joe won the Golden Gloves four years out of five. He has a better career international clean sheet record than Neuer in a vastly inferior team. He has a better England clean sheet ratio than Seaman, Shilton, Clemence, Banks the lot. Those four played behind world class defences. Joe didn't. He has close to the best England shut-out record of all time. With Joe, the small number of errors were magnified out of all proportion. Made fewer errors than other GKs. Still young in GK years, he can come through the current dip in his career. In fact, at his age he should be in his prime.

Ederson - just immaculate. Fewer errors than Alisson and better with his feet. Immense and getting better.

Best England GK of all time - Banks. World GK of the year six times.
 
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MarsLlama said:
Slightly off-topic maybe, because I do think Hart gets in TOTD unless we win the Champions League this season, but...

I don't think there's any truth to the idea that Ederson is a weaker shot-stopper and don't think there's any reliable or meaningful evidence to back that up.
More likely, it comes from the media-enforced stereotype that ball-playing 'keepers are bad with their hands, popularised by bitter ex-pros like Peter Schmeichel who resist the change to their ex-profession and aggravated by the exploits of Claudio Bravo and Loris Karius. In fact, Ederson has shown on several occasions that he's easily capable of stunning saves Hart would be very proud of.

It seems to me that Hart let in as many, if not more, soft goals per season as Ederson has been doing. It's well known that Hart was poor low to his left side- Ederson has no such weakness. A club legend he may be but I think his shot-stopping superiority is primarily imagined as a result of nostalgia and amplified by a reluctance to admit he wasn't as good as we remember.

And that's only mentioning before he left us. If you look at the library of embarrassing mistakes Hart's made since joining Torino, any suggestion that he's more reliable with his hands than Ederson becomes laughable.

After all, how many times in the last few years have you seen us concede a goal and been sure Ederson should have done better? Forget the mistakes against Shaktar and Liverpool because they were misplaced passes that had nothing to do with shot-stopping. How many can you think of? Two? Three? Not many, that's for sure.

Ederson is a vastly underrated 'keeper- because he plays for us. If he had replaced De Gea at United in Summer 2017, with the Spaniard going to Real Madrid as was expected, the UK media narrative would be that Ederson was the better player.

I'd also like to point out that Ederson faces far fewer shots because we have one of the world's best defences now, not Demichelis, Lescott and co. Therefore Ederson will never have a Dortmund game or a Real Madrid game.
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A couple went in to Joe's left in a short space of time and the media started going on about a perceived weakness. No mention of the colossal number of vital saves down to his left.

Pickford has made more mistakes in one year in an England shirt than Joe did in 70-odd games for his country.
 
i kne albert davy said:
I think a lot depends on what you'd call a top keeper to be honest, Hart was bought for what £100k. Now if anyone bought for more is a top keeper I can readily think of one who cost about £17 million who's forms seen him dropped quite a lot. but if you mean one who's won more Golden gloves than Hart I can't think of one.
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The Golden Gloves is like the Golden Boot. You don't win it by accident or good luck.
 
Joe was a great goalkeeper for us and England for many years. Once it became clear that he didn’t fit in Pep’s plans his rapid decline in form was staggering. At his age he should be getting better but he has really gone backwards.

Eddie probably isn’t as good a keeper as Joe at this time but offers so much more in terms of his playmaking and distribution. He has redefined the role of a goalkeeper in this country.
 
Hart had 2 great seasons but once his form dipped he never got back to that level. Beaten at his near post regularly and too bothered about berating his defence/kicking the post when he conceded.

Ederson is already playing at a higher level than Hart ever did.
 
Ederson is the better keeper but of the deacade it has to be Hart for me. Because of how good he was for a few of our most important years of recent times and Ederson just hasn't been here long enough to be in a team of the deacade
 
ancoats said:
4 golden gloves says joe hart is or was world class and up there was the best, sadly lost his way and pep wanted to go in another direction of playing out from the back, i think the problem with joe hart is he see's anything after manchester city to be 2nd rate and he knows how lucky he was to be playing in a great squad of players, and now just wants to milk the rest of his career at a lower level knowing they can never take what he did at manchester city away from him

maybe he will get another bite at the cherry if a big club believes in him ?? he still got a lot of football left in him to offer, but at clubs like burnley or west ham just will not cut it for joe he needs a challenge and lets hope he can get back to the top
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I have to disagree with you in that imo golden gloves does not determine whether a keeper is wc or not. I also think Joe has had his day at the top and will not see a big club again
 
MarsLlama said:
Golden gloves mean sweet F.A.

Put De Gea in the Fulham net and he won't get near the golden glove despite being arguably the best in the world. Yet put Karius behind Juventus' defence and it'll be clean sheets galore. The majority of goals a team concedes are ones the goalkeeper can do very little about and so the award tells you very little about a goalkeeper.
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Absolutely spot on, some just dont see that though
 
HarrytheBlue said:
The Golden Gloves is like the Golden Boot. You don't win it by accident or good luck.
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Correct, you win both with the team supporting you.


Other than shot stopping & 1v1, what exactly was Joe good at ?

For me:

command of the box was weak
Catching was non existent
Flapping / wafting, I'll grant you
Distribution - appalling
Ball skills at his feet - none
 
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