EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Monkfish said:
No, no and no. Doesn't make economic sense at the moment. If it did then yes, for me the welfare of the people I care about is more important than any ideology. What's so bad about carrying on as we are? Isn't everyone's standard of living pretty high? What exactly is so bad about the status quo, or is it just about Hoover power and not liking the Romanians?

If I thought we would be better off out I would vote out, and I am not totally convinced we wouldn't be but on balance I think it would be a bit risky. If it went wrong it could go spectacularly wrong, coupled with the massive lurch to the right or even far right that would come with it
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i am not in principle against further federalisation or a greater currency. Currencies ,state banks won't exist as they do today for world trade etc in a few decades anyway so it'll happen for us anyway and on a bigger scale. But with the European economy in the condition it is in, with deficits like the Uk, the banking interdependency etc now is no time for dramatic moves or show politics be that further dramatic changes such as countries joking the currency or others such as a Brexit.

Today is a time for cool heads, focusing on how to keep growth whilst not increasing deficit and investing in education and the economic future
 
Helmet Cole said:
Nice unbiased piece on channel 4 news tonight. Apparently if we vote leave the Russians could invade the Baltic's and we'll be at (nuclear) war by 2017 #projectfear.
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Well, as the EU has kept the peace since we entered the Common Market, we can be assured that Neil Kinnock and his family are
watching over us from the military powerhouse of Belgium, so expect a rapid reaction force coordinated by him and Herman Van Rumpuy.
(wasn't he in Carry on up the Kyber?).
 
EalingBlue2 said:
i am not in principle against further federalisation or a greater currency. Currencies ,state banks won't exist as they do today for world trade etc in a few decades anyway so it'll happen for us anyway and on a bigger scale. But with the European economy in the condition it is in, with deficits like the Uk, the banking interdependency etc now is no time for dramatic moves or show politics be that further dramatic changes such as countries joking the currency or others such as a Brexit.

Today is a time for cool heads, focusing on how to keep growth whilst not increasing deficit and investing in education and the economic future
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That's right yes cool heads like ex Goldman Sachs governor of the Bank of England wants.

This is the guy who was the Ceo of the investment arm of the bank. Remember these were the nasty casino banks that nearly collapsed the world economy . I don't recall these experts forecasting or us voting on anything on that collapse. Now these people are the experts we should believe.

Commentators blamed casino banks as well as a few other things , like the mountain of debt that households and business had and an over inflated house price problem in the uk caused by massive amounts of debt ( 100 percent mortgages) secured and gambled upon the increase in house prices forever.

So what does Carney predict may happen if we leave the Eu

House prices may fall

Interest rates go up.

You could not make this shit up. These are the same issues at he collapse we said had to happen to rebalance the economy. We are not back to the same 100 percent mortgages available , people encouraged and taking out debt , assisted by very low interest rates.

Wasn't this one of the problems in the first place. Do we just keep building this bubble of debt up now until it all crashes anyway. I am afraid the economic conditions and circumstances of another crash are there whether we stay in or out.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Ever been to Bleiburg?
I have.

Of course you may never have heard of it as uncle Tito kept that dirty little secret well and truly buried in his benevolent dictatorship that brought joy and happiness to Yugoslavia for all those years.
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Helmet Cole said:
Nice unbiased piece on channel 4 news tonight. Apparently if we vote leave the Russians could invade the Baltic's and we'll be at (nuclear) war by 2017 #projectfear.
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Oh look let's demonise the Russians. Narrative 'he's the bad guy, we're the good guys'. The dumbed down with no thoughts left to think just take it all in. Pathetic.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Ever been to Bleiburg?
I have.

Of course you may never have heard of it as uncle Tito kept that dirty little secret well and truly buried in his benevolent dictatorship that brought joy and happiness to Yugoslavia for all those years.
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Member states of NATO, the U.S. and the European powers, violated the UN Charter by attacking a fellow UN member state in the absence of an attack or a threat of imminent attack on them and in the absence of UN Security Council authorization. Illegal.
 
For those still trying to decide, the scare stories around the future economy are just that, stories.

You can do your own research where you will find that the UK/EU trade has fallen every year since 1999, and that trade runs at 1-2 in the EU favor.
That over 90% of British businesses do no trade with the EU yet are restricted by their rules and red tape, and that trade with the rest of the world not only outstrips that with the EU but is growing rapidly.

You can look into just who is telling you these scare stories and ask yourself do you believe these people ?, besides those "Experts" who wanted us to join the Euro there is Call me dave, who stands on the "Reforms" he won knowing full well he got nothing, a bunch of bankers linked by a company ( Goldman Sachs, google them for a tour of the dark side) behind every financial crash in the last fifty years, and the good old BBC who besides being a club for kiddy fiddlers has been funded to "Promote EU matters" to the tune of millions despite external funding being against its charter.

Ask yourself if you believe the nonsense that European countries ( Not the EU ) will no longer want to trade with us, one of their biggest customers.

The economy is a smoke screen to hide the real issue, do you want to live in a country run by whoever you choose to elected, or by an organisation run for the benefit of others with you having no say.
 
Monkfish said:
its make shit up morning is it?
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Well besides the £141 million in loans reported by the times going back to 2008.

I refer to your email below and having looked into this, I can confirm
that all the loans referred to in the Times article were made to
commercial subsidiaries of the BBC (which, as previously mentioned, fall
outside of the scope of the FOI Act) and were therefore excluded from
the original response.

Kind regards
Yours sincerely,

H Padley
Advisor - Information Policy & Compliance.

The BBC has admitted taking more than £2 million in European Union funding over the past three years, in a move that critics said called into doubt the corporation’s impartiality over the forthcoming European referendum. (The Telegraph)

The Freedom of Information act response confirms that BBC staff applied for, and accepted, about £3 million of EU funds between April 2011 and November 2013, most of which has been spent on unspecified ‘research and development’ projects, with the remaining £1 million spent on programming. (The Spectator).
 
I'm voting out, nothing you Inners can say will change my mind. Feck off LOL

How do I vote!? is there anywhere online!?
 
Helmet Cole said:
Nice unbiased piece on channel 4 news tonight. Apparently if we vote leave the Russians could invade the Baltic's and we'll be at (nuclear) war by 2017 #projectfear.
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Nothing to do with Brexit, it's about countries joining NATO (or possibly Eurovision). The plan is already in place - May next year Russia invades the Baltics. If you look on Google Earth there are huge numbers of photos with Cryllic descriptions of road and rail bridges, hospitals, basically anything with a strategic significance in Europe. I've been improving my biathlon technique for a while, now it looks like they're going to invade in the summer. Crafty buggers them Ruskies.
 
blueonblue said:
Well besides the £141 million in loans reported by the times going back to 2008.

I refer to your email below and having looked into this, I can confirm
that all the loans referred to in the Times article were made to
commercial subsidiaries of the BBC (which, as previously mentioned, fall
outside of the scope of the FOI Act) and were therefore excluded from
the original response.

Kind regards
Yours sincerely,

H Padley
Advisor - Information Policy & Compliance.

The BBC has admitted taking more than £2 million in European Union funding over the past three years, in a move that critics said called into doubt the corporation’s impartiality over the forthcoming European referendum. (The Telegraph)

The Freedom of Information act response confirms that BBC staff applied for, and accepted, about £3 million of EU funds between April 2011 and November 2013, most of which has been spent on unspecified ‘research and development’ projects, with the remaining £1 million spent on programming. (The Spectator).
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so the BBC takes 2m in funding (and it has been specified what its for so more made up shit)

the very same BBC that takes 3700m a year in licence fee funding. So over 3 years thats 11100m.

but according to you this 2m for a research project has usurped the 11100m in licence fee payers money, even though the 2m probably couldn't pay for Clarksons food bill

the 2m has made the worlds most respected news institution a puppet of the EU, who new it would be so cheap to buy them off? Why don't you inform Mansoor - surely 1m would be enough to buy off FiveLive and make them more pro-City - that will keep the anti-city-media-bias-jockeys happy

do you actually believe what you type? do you ever question what you type? ever perform any critical analysis of your own or just spew out what your fed by Rupert?

think man, think
 
The only reason the in vote wants you to stay is because they are all looking after themselves, when have they ever done anything for the benefit of the people in this country, yes the out vote is gonna bring lots of challenges but we survived before and we will do again.
 
Monkfish said:
do you actually believe what you type? do you ever question what you type? ever perform any critical analysis of your own or just spew out what your fed by Rupert?
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You wanted to claim I "Made up shit", having provided two separate sources I even threw in a direct answer from the BBC PR department, £3 million is not only still a fair chunk of change and against their charter but very much the tip of the iceberg, the BBC are playing "Arms length" with its many sub divisions as it was when caught out on the £141 million in loans from the EU institutions.
 
Pino said:
Member states of NATO, the U.S. and the European powers, violated the UN Charter by attacking a fellow UN member state in the absence of an attack or a threat of imminent attack on them and in the absence of UN Security Council authorization. Illegal.
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Hey, Idiot, read the fucking question!

You said in 1989 NATO started the war in Yugoslavia. I asked you to support that claim. You continue to fail to do so. If you have nothing to add to support your claim why not just admit you were talking out of your arse and move on?
 
EalingBlue2 said:
i am not in principle against further federalisation or a greater currency. Currencies ,state banks won't exist as they do today for world trade etc in a few decades anyway so it'll happen for us anyway and on a bigger scale. But with the European economy in the condition it is in, with deficits like the Uk, the banking interdependency etc now is no time for dramatic moves or show politics be that further dramatic changes such as countries joking the currency or others such as a Brexit.

Today is a time for cool heads, focusing on how to keep growth whilst not increasing deficit and investing in education and the economic future
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If currency won't exist in the future then what will? Currency is just a store of value like the bitcoin if you don't have a form of currency to value 'goods and services' you can't operate and need to barter. The irony of your comments is that it is the very issue of currency and specifically the Euro which is the greatest danger to the EU and the UK by association - Cameron negotiated away any veto on future further integration and matters on the Eurozone for the nonsense that he claimed to have won - Ask yourself why the commission insisted on this trade off if it were not for further political and fiscal union knowing full well the UK would be a pain in the arse about it all.

You say it's no time for dramatic moves by retaining the status quo; but the status quo is just a snapshot of now and there are some posters who think that because the UK are not in the Eurozone they will be cocooned from the legislation that will be brought in to support this monumental shift to fiscal and political union - believing that we won't be dragged in much deeper is a statement of breath taking naivety! It's actually logistically impossible not to be pulled in deeper.

The risks are definitely there by staying in and doing nothing especially with the veto being pissed away for a packet of ready salted crisps.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Hey, Idiot, read the fucking question!

You said in 1989 NATO started the war in Yugoslavia. I asked you to support that claim. You continue to fail to do so. If you have nothing to add to support your claim why not just admit you were talking out of your arse and move on?
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Last week the British parliamentary Foreign Affairs Select Committee (FSC), a body with representatives from the major parties in Parliament, issued a 315-paragraph report on the lessons of NATO's war against Yugoslavia. The report makes the admission that the NATO bombardment was illegal under international law.

Illegal - what wont you understand about that ?
Virtually all of the claims the Western powers used to justify their intervention against Serbia have since been exposed as lies. NATO's humanitarian pretensions, already discredited by its bombardment of Yugoslav cities and targeting of civilian infrastructure, have been further undermined by events in Kosovo since NATO's military occupation of the Yugoslav province began.
Exactly 15 years ago, on March 24, NATO began its 78-day bombing of Yugoslavia. The alliance bypassed the UN under a “humanitarian” pretext, launching aggression that claimed hundreds of civilian lives and caused a much larger catastrophe than it averted.
 
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