EU referendum

[kevin horlocks wand]

That's settled it for me, if that **** Geldof wants us to remain, I'm voting out! Scruffy prick!

Coming soon Bono....

 

[ballbag]

The latest set of figures shows just that, more from outside the EU. The BBC have a section on their web called reality check which looks at both sides claims. Helping me to make some (not a lot) sense out of the bullshit from both camps.

Cheers. I'll check that out.

You're welcome.

Seems there are more from non-EU after all.

 

[Juan King]

Coming soon Bono....

Fuck me, that would be even worse!

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Didn't only a tiny percentage of the economists asked respond? I'm not sure if you've counted them as supporting Remain (which is totally disingenuous) or ignored them (which is a bit less disingenuous), but most economists asked didn't come out fighting for either side.

Hi mate....it was a bit of tongue in cheek comment, as knew the responses I'd get from some "outs"......yes the report confirmed only 600 replied (out of 3000+) but as I explained many times before and some dont want to listen..Why are they more focused on those that didnt reply, than listening to the 600 that did??...its only there expert opinion that matters in this independent poll...maybe because it doesnt fit their opinion?....but happy to move on!;)

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

While its a disappointment not more responded, over 600 did and that's a decent cross section, sufficiently large enough that it shouldn't be ignored.

Thanks mate....which is the only point I was trying to make but some were not willing to listen!

 

[BigJoe#1]

Thought that was a pretty empty, meaningless and pointless broadcast by the strongerineurope campaign to be honest. I know it is not a suprising reaction from a Brexiter but it was very bland!

 

[CityStu]

Hi mate....it was a bit of tongue in cheek comment, as knew the responses I'd get from some "outs"......yes the report confirmed only 600 replied (out of 3000+) but as I explained many times before and some dont want to listen..Why are they more focused on those that didnt reply, that listening to the 600 that did??...its only there expert opinion that matters in this independent poll...maybe because it doesnt fit their opinion?....but happy to move on!;)

No, it paints a very different story. Instead of 88% (or similar) supporting Remain, the actual evidence suggests that about 10% do, 2% support Leave and 88% don't really think it matters much. That, or they aren't willing to make any predictions with enough certainty to put their name to them.

All of that suggests to me that only 10% of leading economists support the doom and gloom arguments that the In campaign are producing.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

I can't say I've done any extensive research into the financial sector but I had a gander at Hargreaves Lansdown's website this morning. My SIPP is invested in various funds on their platform and I thought I'd have a look to see what they're saying. There was a comprehensive article by Neil Woodford who is one of the most successful fund managers in the UK and I have a sizeable chunk of my SIPP invested in one of his funds. His stance on Brexit is pretty much neutral - while he expects there to be a negative impact in the financial markets in the wake of a Brexit, he feels there are many other more significant factors worldwide that are equally, if not more, likely to affect share prices, etc, and he's confident that the value of his own funds will hold up in the long-term regardless of which way the vote goes. Note I said long-term - if someone is sitting on a pension fund, is just a few years away from retirement age, and we vote to leave, then their pot may not have time to recover fully when it comes down to them getting their hands on it so even though I'm far from an expert it would probably be better for such a person in that situation to vote to stay in. I'm still at least 9 years away from being able to access my pension fund currently and the 55 year old rule could change where I have to wait even longer so I'm voting out as the biggest single issue for me is the affect on my pension. Other things like job security I doubt are seriously impacted by whether we stay in or get out.

thanks for your comments mate!;)

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

No, it paints a very different story. Instead of 88% (or similar) supporting Remain, the actual evidence suggests that about 10% do, 2% support Leave and 88% don't really think it matters much. That, or they aren't willing to make any predictions with enough certainty to put their name to them.

All of that suggests to me that only 10% of leading economists support the doom and gloom arguments that the In campaign are producing.

I understand your point mate but the report I posted clearly stated the number of economists that had replied and the number that didnt and was clear on the % that feel staying was better for the country....there was no twisting of numbers to suit my argument...its clear that out of the people that did reply it was overwhelming towards "stay".....as another poster mentioned....600 is still a large enough amount to gain a fair, balanced view of what economists think...and shouldnt completely be ignored like the outs want to do! that is all I'm trying to say...

 

[jimmygrimblesboots]

so when we leave , the new car tariffs , will mean all european motors will be substantially dearer , and the japanese , korean , and other worldwide cars will be 10% cheaper . Great news , due to change the beemer , looks like i will have a Kia on the driveway for the next few years , and if you wanna keep up with the Jones's , you can always remove the badges. Every cloud.

 

[Credo]

And this from the same show:

This is well, well, well worth the watch. Goodbye George Osborne. Goodbye EU.

 

[Helmet Cole]

Just caught today's news. Is it true that because the govt can't demonstrate brexit will make us worse off, they are now going to have a special budget full of cuts and tax raises to make us worse off?
This is genius. They can now show that brexit will make us poorer.

 

[Credo]

Just when you thought it couldn't get any more boring, Bob Geldof enters the proceedings.

It's always good to have a multi millionaire to tell you what to do.

 

[CityStu]

I understand your point mate but the report I posted clearly stated the number of economists that had replied and the number that didnt and was clear on the % that feel staying was better for the country....there was no twisting of numbers to suit my argument...its clear that out of the people that did reply it was overwhelming towards "stay".....as another poster mentioned....600 is still a large enough amount to gain a fair, balanced view of what economists think...and shouldnt completely be ignored like the outs want to do! that is all I'm trying to say...

You didn't twist numbers but you misrepresented the poll by not stating the number of non-responders. By the nature of responding, the economists who did reply could be considered biased because they have strong feelings one way or the other. Those with no strong feelings (like an undecided voter) simply wouldn't have replied. That sample bias needs to be stated for the result to be taken seriously.

It's like polling car owners to find out their income and only asking (or getting responses from) those with Astons, Ferraris and Lambos, then coming to the conclusion that car owners are millionaires.

 

[halfcenturyup]

Yeah, there will be a negotiated agreement but I don't think that that the outers will be happy with it as it will have to have some serious compromise in terms of payment and acceptance of immigrants in return for a trade deal. So basically the two main reasons for leaving won't actually stop as a result of an out vote

Maybe, but I am pretty sure the EU will have closed trade agreements without either payments or immigration quotas. I would imagine UK/EU trade is important enough that the agreement will be sufficiently vague to allow both sides to claim victory in some areas and look like they have been screwed in others.

You should add federalisation of Europe to your list of main reasons, IMHO.

Sorry PB. Wrong thread again. Last one ...

 

[sir baconface]

Cheers. I'll check that out.


Seems there are more from non-EU after all.

ONS's 2015 figures show net immigration of 333,000 of which 184,000 was from EU countries.

 

[hilts]

Here are a few who strongly believe the UK should remain a member of the EU:

• Governor of the Bank of England
• International Monetary Fund
• Institute for Fiscal Studies
• Confederation of British Industry
• Leaders/heads of state of every single other member of the EU
• President of the United States of America
• Eight former US Treasury Secretaries
• President of China
• Prime Minister of India
• Prime Minister of Canada
• Prime Minister of Australia
• Prime Minister of Japan
• Prime Minister of New Zealand
• The chief executives of most of the top 100 companies in the UK including Marks and Spencer, BT, Asda, Vodafone, Virgin, IBM, BMW etc.
• Kofi Annan, the former Secretary General of the United Nations
• All living former Prime Ministers of the UK (from both parties)
• Virtually all reputable and recognised economists
• The Prime Minister of the UK
• The leader of the Labour Party
• The Leader of the Liberal Democrats
• The Leader of the Green Party
• The Leader of the Scottish National Party
• The leader of Plaid Cymru
• Leader of Sinn Fein
• Martin Lewis, that money saving dude off the telly
• The Secretary General of the TUC
• Unison
• National Union of Students
• National Union of Farmers
• Stephen Hawking
• Chief Executive of the NHS
• 300 of the most prominent international historians
• Director of Europol
• David Anderson QC, Independent Reviewer of Terrorism Legislation
• Former Directors of GCHQ
• Secretary General of Nato
• Church of England
• Church in Scotland
• Church in Wales
• Friends of the Earth
• Greenpeace
• Director General of the World Trade Organisation
• WWF
• World Bank
• OECD

And a few that think we should leave
- Boris Johnson
- Ian Ducan Smith
- Michael Gove
- Donald Trump
- UKIP
- Britain First
- The Sun

I have it on good authority that hawking got a eu grant for his wheelchair so isn't the most unbiased opinion you will hear, selfish fucker

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

I'm rather confused regarding the reference to the idea that to point out an unfair presentation of overall findings is somehow 'belittling''? I absolutely disagree.

I really hope hope you're not seriously of the opinion that facts that are grossly skewed should be overlooked or hidden to preserve a person's integrity. Especially on an issue of such importance. That would worry me a great deal. Providing a disproportionate representation doesn't need disproving. it simply is what it is - disproportionate. Which is exactly the point I made.

and thats your right to do so...please point out the "unfair presentation of overall findings"?

 

[blueinsa]

We are all busy watching the political suicides of some very high profile politicians, Dave and George being the most notable.

 

[ballbag]

ONS's 2015 figures show net immigration of 333,000 of which 184,000 was from EU countries.

OMG you're still being a dick.