EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Alistair Darling meant to put his 2p's worth in with George Osbourne but he only had a 1p left!

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whp.blue said:
Clearly it makes a huge difference if you don't have to live with the consequences of the referendum. The remain voters living in Australia will not have to worry about say the NHS bring swamped by a million Turkish immigrants or UK bailing out the Euro at some point

I don#t think anyone who does not reside or pay taxes in this country should have a vote on this
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A vote, No. An opinion, certainly
 
My biggest concern is that a very large number of people don't actually know what they are voting for. Some doubtlessly believe it is a referendum on Cameron, others that it is whatever Cameron/Johnson/Osborne/Gove or the media tell them (including what the media say about other branches of the media!).

Some will think it's all about immigration, some employment and some that it's all about money, and I think only a small percentage will actually understand it all properly.

The outright lies, soundbites and misrepresentations for effect (e.g. nett vs gross) are used to muddy things, and the media barons have their alliances to promote (and the allied poltiician has the backing of the media baron to maintain). It's politics in the lowest form of scare stories, from both sides, and often based on dodgy foundations.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
My biggest concern is that a very large number of people don't actually know what they are voting for. Some doubtlessly believe it is a referendum on Cameron, others that it is whatever Cameron/Johnson/Osborne/Gove or the media tell them (including what the media say about other branches of the media!).

Some will think it's all about immigration, some employment and some that it's all about money, and I think only a small percentage will actually understand it all properly.

The outright lies, soundbites and misrepresentations for effect (e.g. nett vs gross) are used to muddy things, and the media barons have their alliances to promote (and the allied poltiician has the backing of the media baron to maintain). It's politics in the lowest form of scare stories, from both sides, and often based on dodgy foundations.
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Bingo, I've been saying this for a while now.
 
ballbag said:
As far as I'm aware, there is no need for an emergency budget because if we do leave, then there would have to be a 'divorce deal' done with the EU. Furthermore, even if the majority want out, the government don't have to comply with that. But I could be talking bollocks.
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There won't be an immediate one but the impact of a vote to leave will be huge on the public purse, everything the government forecasts for and plans for goes out the window. Essentially everything we elected the government on last year could potentially be thrown away. Imagine the spike in migration to get in before the doors shut to begin with, we have no choice but to plan to cope with that. That planning and change may or may not mean further cuts and large scale changes which I don't believe the current government has the mandate to undertake.
 
stonerblue said:
My point is you question EB's opinion because he doesn't live here but you don't seem to mind the thoughts of other non-resident posters who, coincidentally, seem to agree with you.
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To be fair Stoner that is very consistent I have seen many Brexitera belittle the opinions of some of the world foremost economists and our own treasury, financial press and then cite some obscure outdated economist from a right wing think tank or regional university as an absolute guru. I wouldn't expect special treatment that hasn't been given to such luminaries as Obama or every living prime minister, to publications like the economist and Washington post or to the IMF, world bank etc
 
stonerblue said:
So SWP's opinions are valid despite him also being non resident in the UK?
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I'm voting in, pay tax in the UK and I'm not purposely misrepresenting things that I know are bollocks.

As has been pointed out, if anything, Ealing will be pushing floating voters towards out. He never fucking stops.
 
stonerblue said:
My point is you question EB's opinion because he doesn't live here but you don't seem to mind the thoughts of other non-resident posters who, coincidentally, seem to agree with you.
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I have just said swp is voting in what are you on about. He does not live in the uk. I have no idea where anyone else bloody lives? Forgive me for not knowing the details of all posters.

Eb has posted on this site more than anyone on this subject and I think it's right to pick up on him comparing the referendum with 911?

If you want to debate about the referendum fine if you want to be a policeman on the site, apply to be a moderator.
 
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