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Let's face it, us Brits love to build up one of our own and then lap it up when they fall. The press have been doing this for years with numerous public figures, celebrities, actors, footballers etc. It's almost part of our culture.

Joe is going through a bit of a dodgy patch. But so does every player at some point. However come Monday night and you will be hearing Hart's name and England's number one proudly shouted from the stands.
 
stonerblue said:
Pingu the Penguin said:
stonerblue said:
So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.
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I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?
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I don't think 'competition' works with keepers. They don't just get dropped because the 2nd choice looks good in training. Generally if the keeper doesn't let in too many soft goals and stays fit he stays 1st choice. The keeper on the bench must wait for either a series of mistakes or an injury to the number 1 before getting his chance.
Keepers just don't get 'rotated'. They could get a cup run from the off (don't mention the final) but they know the score. Waiting and staying fit and sharp is part of their game. Given being one of the 'i want first team football' exceptions.
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Not replying to this PtheP ??
 
Shall I bother reading this thread or can I just assume its a lot of Mancio style trolling about Joe being overrated, big headed, friends with a rag, etc.
 
stonerblue said:
stonerblue said:
Pingu the Penguin said:
I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?
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I don't think 'competition' works with keepers. They don't just get dropped because the 2nd choice looks good in training. Generally if the keeper doesn't let in too many soft goals and stays fit he stays 1st choice. The keeper on the bench must wait for either a series of mistakes or an injury to the number 1 before getting his chance.
Keepers just don't get 'rotated'. They could get a cup run from the off (don't mention the final) but they know the score. Waiting and staying fit and sharp is part of their game. Given being one of the 'i want first team football' exceptions.
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Not replying to this PtheP ??
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allow me - you're absolutely correct!
 
Can't be bothered reading 16 pages of drivel.
If an out field player mid places a pass or strikers don't score, it's ok better luck next time. Do you want them off the pitch though, replace them and rotate every week NO!
I sorry but Joe Hart has shown over the past 3 seasons what a good goalkeeper he is. Some games he has literally saved us the points. Yes made the odd mistake just like outfield players who just hold there hands up and say sorry and play on.
It's different for a keeper.
With Joe Hart , people just see him having a laugh with mates at work etc, its called banter in the work place, some of you should try it.
However, speak to any professional player who plays with him and they will tell you how hard he trains how he pushes himself, how focused he gets about his JOB.
All you people who wang him dropped or replaced, who do you want in goal??
Pants isn't as good as Jod Hart and I certainly wouldn't swap him for any keeper in UK. So start naming these keepers who never stop goals going in, who never mid-kick a ball.
We have at present a goalkeeper that if was put up for sale nearly ALL of not ALL the top teams in Europe would be interested.
I think a lot on here need to look back and see where we have come from and the dizzy heights we are now at, it's journey.
In sorry Sturridge is no longer available as a replacement to Hart, he must be now about 50 years old.
Relax we are in SAFE HANDS.
 
Joe's a great keeper with a fantastic future, but is far from the finished article.

Just forget the "best keeper in the world" stuff.

Maybe in two or three years with more experience.

In fact I don't think you can say there is a "World's best keeper"....no more than you can say "World's best guitar solo" or "World's best motorbike".

You can say "World's fastest sprinter" because you have a yardstick to measure against....the clock.

When he is as good as Lev Yashin was, he will be somewhere near.


ps. I like Joe...but don't swallow the hype.
 
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IOWBlue said:
If we put Joe up for sale, would the rags, arse and chelski want him? If you think yes then theres nothing to say.
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I'd swap him for DeGea who many believe will be better than him in a couple of seasons.
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so are you forgiving him for the litany of mistakes he's made since arriving at the swamp?
 
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nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
IOWBlue said:
If we put Joe up for sale, would the rags, arse and chelski want him? If you think yes then theres nothing to say.
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I'd swap him for DeGea who many believe will be better than him in a couple of seasons.
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What is actually required is a very decent number 2 that can push Joe for the number 1 slot. Complacency is one of the biggest threats to a footballer (which they actually state themselves)

They need the competition for their place and imo Joe has not had this for some time. Pants was a decent keeper but not the level required. Mayb e wright is the one to do this ?
 
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
IOWBlue said:
If we put Joe up for sale, would the rags, arse and chelski want him? If you think yes then theres nothing to say.
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I'd swap him for DeGea who many believe will be better than him in a couple of seasons.
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Well I wouldn't.....................................
People are giving Hart stick for not saving a shot that came through a ruck of players...and the same people were creaming themselves at half-time in the Brazil game in the Maracona a month or two ago -- when all the pundits were saying hart saved England in that first half - 9 superb saves - England could have been slaughtered that day.
 
Smithy34 said:
What is actually required is a very decent number 2 that can push Joe for the number 1 slot. Complacency is one of the biggest threats to a footballer (which they actually state themselves)

They need the competition for their place and imo Joe has not had this for some time. Pants was a decent keeper but not the level required. Mayb e wright is the one to do this ?
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Richard Wright, you mean a keeper who has been an understoody for most of his career, a keeper who has not played first team football for at least 3 seasons, and that was for Sheff utd. Yeah Wright!
 
Pantilimon is a very decent backup keeper imo that can push Hart. Pellegrini may well drop Hart for all we know. I can't believe the overreaction over the mistake though, why didn't one of the four/five players infront of him close the ball and not stand there and turn their back on it whilst also blocking Joe's vision.

I am aware it isn't his first mistake but he has also saved us points himself at times which outweighs the mistakes.
 
Joe is very hard on himself. That mistake will make him work harder I am sure. He wants positive plaudits like he earned for his performance against Brazil, not the negatives. It came through a load of players but you would expect him to save it. He played a good ball out to Walker that led to Theo's goal which is positive again, his distribution needs improving and that is a positive. He will step up for the new season I am sure. He is still young in goalkeeping terms yet very experienced and there is no way I would ever contemplate selling him based on how good he is and how good he can be. He has addressed every issue previously including dealing with crosses from his time at Brum. He will only get better in my opinion.
 
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Pantilimon is a very decent backup keeper imo that can push Hart. Pellegrini may well drop Hart for all we know. I can't believe the overreaction over the mistake though, why didn't one of the four/five players infront of him close the ball and not stand there and turn their back on it whilst also blocking Joe's vision.

I am aware it isn't his first mistake but he has also saved us points himself at times which outweighs the mistakes.
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I think with a slight change because of injuries that was pretty much our first team starting against Arsenal
 
Joe Hart is a top keeper and is bound to make mistakes. The pressure of being England’s and City’s number one won’t be easy but I am sure he can handle it. I think Pellegrini will get the best out of him and Hart will come back stronger.

I would of thought fat Wayne would be backing Hart this morning :-)
 
nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
IOWBlue said:
If we put Joe up for sale, would the rags, arse and chelski want him? If you think yes then theres nothing to say.
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I'd swap him for DeGea who many believe will be better than him in a couple of seasons.
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Dear,oh dear,oh dear !! And some people wonder why they end up getting called "Rag" !!!!
 
Any out field player can make plenty of mistakes that go unnoticed. A goalkeeper makes one and that's it. I do believe though that complacency is the problem, he needs a quality number 2 pushing him.
 
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