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wayne71 said:
On foxtel Bosnich slated him for not saving that today and reckoned any top class GK should have stopped that.
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I thought the same thing upon watching the goal.

It wasn't a mistake but I think an in-form Joe Hart gets down faster.
 
as i posted before myself and the kids stop behind to collect autographs joe and 90% of the city players are complete arseholes how they treat the kids after games .they all need reminding that all they are is just footballers !! joe is usually one of the worst and speeds through the few kids fast enough to splatter them,however today he was one of the few that stopped and we got to speak for a few minutes we told him as we sit at the front of the north stand right behind the goal it was us that had been shouting encouragement all first half he thanked us very much and said he had genuinely appreciated the support today it had meant a lot to him ,told him not to worry too much as the same thing had happened to joe corrigan and his reply was and he didnt end up doing too badly ,with a smile !! and with that he drove off gave us the thumbs up and a big smile .a totally different lad today .not sure he realized just how bad corrigan was in his bad spell and how good he ended up
 
If he hadn't of got a hand to the ball, nobody would be saying he should've saved it.

It's got to the point where he's being blamed for stuff that's not his fault.

Someone in media said he was at fault for Villa's 1st goal and ppl have said also for the 2nd of Bayern.
 
Andy Dunn from The Mirror
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You know it is a crisis when support verges on sympathy. That is how it is with Joe Hart.

The extra round of applause in the pre-match roll call, pundits tripping over themselves to absolve him of blame, an exaggerated cheer for a routine save and man-hugs all round after the final whistle.

He even did a spot of passionate badge-tugging as he disappeared into the tunnel, one of the last to exit.

Boy, he knows the pressure is on.

“The players, staff, manager and fans trust in Joe Hart,” declared Manuel Pellegrini.

Yep, sure they do.

They would like him to get back to his commanding best… but trust?

It is questionable whether even his defenders trust him right now.

Harsh? Perhaps. But Hart has to be judged by his own exacting standards. By those standards – and he would certainly like to think they are world class – Hart was again at fault for a goal.

He was not the only one at fault, for sure. Joleon Lescott was doubly culpable with some remarkably dozy defending in the first place.

But Romelu Lukaku gave Hart a reasonable chance to make the save – and he did not take it. Right now, when Hart gets a hand to a ball, there is every chance it is merely to delay the inevitable by just a fraction.

Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City Saved... just: Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City
Michael Steele


If Hart was not mired in such dubious form, his role in Everton’s only goal of a captivating match might have gone relatively unnoticed.

The second half indecision – whether to clear or take a loose pass back into his own area – would not warrant a mention, nor the strictly unimaginative distribution.

But Hart, rightly, is under forensic examination. Not just as a result of his abysmal evening against Bayern Munich but for a calendar year pockmarked with uncertain moments.

Maybe it all started 12 months ago in Warsaw when he lost his bearings for the goal that earned Poland a point.

The Poles will be presenting themselves again in ten days’ time and English hopes of automatic World Cup qualification will be at stake.

And you can cling to a couple of standard sliding stops and a good effort to divert a Kevin Mirallas header (which, typically maybe, was rendered irrelevant by an assistant referee’s flag) as flimsy evidence that Hart’s class is permanent.

But there is no doubt he goes into this international twin bill with inconsistency an unwelcome companion.

Of course there really is no international debate to be had. When your alternatives are, with respect, Fraser Forster and John Ruddy, any discussion is brief.

The alternatives at the Etihad are not much more serious. This was Hart’s 121st consecutive Premier League appearance. Reserve keeper Costel Pantilimon has not played a minute in the competition. No wonder Pellegrini ended his own debate on the side of Hart.

Yet while Roy Hodgson’s choice is Hobson’s choice, Pellegrini will surely bring in sterner rivalry for Hart in the transfer window.

He needs it. And he probably realises it. When he dropped on to a straightforward shot from Arouna Kone late in the game, he smothered it with a body load of relief.

“England’s No.1,” came the appreciation from a smattering in the stands.

True enough. But whether that is something to celebrate remains to be seen.


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Did well to get down and get anything on the ball ffs.

This is getting ridiculous but it's typical of how the English media treat their goalkeepers.
 
Every goal that goes past him is getting over debated it's turned into a witch hunt. It's been over a decade since England had a number 1 that was automatic choice yet the media seem hell bent on destroying the lad
 
At the game I thought he didn't get down quick enough, but to be fair I'm in EL3 so didn't get the best view, it seemed to go in slow motion. Just caught it on MOTD and he shouldn't be blamed at all. It was too close to him and just low enough to prevent a full palm getting to it.
Had a decent game apart from some of his kicking , that's something I've got used to though..
 
Did well to get a hand to the ball but had very little chance of saving it. Had a good game today and made a quality save from an offside move. Was happy the city fans got behind him as I think he is capable of being the best in the world.
 
Hart gets a hand to a one on one chance and is at fault,Howard gets Fuck all on 2 one on ones and nothings said. I wonder if any of the press would have said Hart was unlucky if he'd conceded the penalty like Howard did. Doubt it.
 
FantasyIreland said:
Andy Dunn from The Mirror
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You know it is a crisis when support verges on sympathy. That is how it is with Joe Hart.

The extra round of applause in the pre-match roll call, pundits tripping over themselves to absolve him of blame, an exaggerated cheer for a routine save and man-hugs all round after the final whistle.

He even did a spot of passionate badge-tugging as he disappeared into the tunnel, one of the last to exit.

Boy, he knows the pressure is on.

“The players, staff, manager and fans trust in Joe Hart,” declared Manuel Pellegrini.

Yep, sure they do.

They would like him to get back to his commanding best… but trust?

It is questionable whether even his defenders trust him right now.

Harsh? Perhaps. But Hart has to be judged by his own exacting standards. By those standards – and he would certainly like to think they are world class – Hart was again at fault for a goal.

He was not the only one at fault, for sure. Joleon Lescott was doubly culpable with some remarkably dozy defending in the first place.

But Romelu Lukaku gave Hart a reasonable chance to make the save – and he did not take it. Right now, when Hart gets a hand to a ball, there is every chance it is merely to delay the inevitable by just a fraction.

Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City Saved... just: Romelu Lukaka of Everton rounds Joe Hart of Manchester City
Michael Steele


If Hart was not mired in such dubious form, his role in Everton’s only goal of a captivating match might have gone relatively unnoticed.

The second half indecision – whether to clear or take a loose pass back into his own area – would not warrant a mention, nor the strictly unimaginative distribution.

But Hart, rightly, is under forensic examination. Not just as a result of his abysmal evening against Bayern Munich but for a calendar year pockmarked with uncertain moments.

Maybe it all started 12 months ago in Warsaw when he lost his bearings for the goal that earned Poland a point.

The Poles will be presenting themselves again in ten days’ time and English hopes of automatic World Cup qualification will be at stake.

And you can cling to a couple of standard sliding stops and a good effort to divert a Kevin Mirallas header (which, typically maybe, was rendered irrelevant by an assistant referee’s flag) as flimsy evidence that Hart’s class is permanent.

But there is no doubt he goes into this international twin bill with inconsistency an unwelcome companion.

Of course there really is no international debate to be had. When your alternatives are, with respect, Fraser Forster and John Ruddy, any discussion is brief.

The alternatives at the Etihad are not much more serious. This was Hart’s 121st consecutive Premier League appearance. Reserve keeper Costel Pantilimon has not played a minute in the competition. No wonder Pellegrini ended his own debate on the side of Hart.

Yet while Roy Hodgson’s choice is Hobson’s choice, Pellegrini will surely bring in sterner rivalry for Hart in the transfer window.

He needs it. And he probably realises it. When he dropped on to a straightforward shot from Arouna Kone late in the game, he smothered it with a body load of relief.

“England’s No.1,” came the appreciation from a smattering in the stands.

True enough. But whether that is something to celebrate remains to be seen.


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So typical of the English mentality. Having spent so long bigging him up as one of the best in the world, we are now absolutely desperate to see him fail. We wonder why the England team has struggled for so long, it always will do while the media insists on treating players like this.

Mind you I never take Andy Dunn seriously anyway, he is the Adrian Durham of newspapers.
 
Glad Pellegrini didn't drop him today; it would've been unjust and further damaged his confidence. He did OK today I thought, don't really hold him culpable for their goal.
 
Never going to be the worlds best but then who only the most blinkered thought he would be? I think all us as fans want is for him to be a reliable keeper who every once in a while excels. time to put this thread to bed , If pellers was ever going to drop him it would have happened today!
 
Joe made a really good stop from an Everton player who was judged offside - not one word from the TV commentary team about the save. When their knives are out they prefer to focus on the tiniest error and ignore the good stuff.
 
He isn't playing as well as he did two seasons ago, that is indisputable. Yesterday's performance was OK, the goal wasn't only down to him, Lescott was partly to blame and Lukaku is proving to be a very good striker.

Hart can be criticised due to the fact that we have seen how good he can be, and at the moment he isn't reaching those heights, his development seems to have stopped. His distribution is of most concern, he is definitely suffering from a loss of confidence. Against Bayern he wasn't comfortable passing the ball to his defenders and kept kicking the ball long, he was worried about how quickly Bayern were closing players down, yesterday he was more comfortable, but when he did kick long we often lost possession.

The coaches need to help him out, or maybe only Joe can work at what is going wrong at the moment, he only has to look at the other keepers around him in the Premier league and realise they do some things better than him, but also make mistakes too. He'll come good again I'm sure, and as long as we keep scoring at the other end then he'll get his confidence back.

When he almost lost the ball to Lukaku in the second half was the low point of his game, but after that moment he seemed to improve, and finished the game very well.
 
He isn't as bad as some in the press are making him out to be and he isn't as good [yet] as we thought he was going to be.The problem for him is that a club aspiring to be the world's best want only the best in every position.A world class keeper saves you numerous points a season as Joe has done in the past for us, but as someone else pointed out his progress seems to have stalled and maybe taken a small dip backwards.

A couple of years ago he is pushing Ribbery and Robben's shots around the post.Lukaku's shot is parried and doesn't go into the goal.They are only small margins as he got close to each one but it is those small margins that seperate the great from the good and the difference between a win or a loss.Will the club persist in the hope that he gets back to his best and improves that extra percentage to make him a huge barrier and presence in goal for us,or look for the ready made article?Time will tell.
 
VK and Kompany at fault for that one, cant fault a keeper for not keeping that out.

Said on another thread, but the people criticising hart for the found no fault with howard for failing to keep out an almost identical equaliser.
 
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