Media Thread - 2021/22

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red 2 hats said:
I can't get my head around how Dixon thinks, how can anybody who claims to have been a City fan wish defeat on us.
It amounts to treason, how could you turn your back on your club ( I know money talks ) could never have been a proper fan, it's like that prick Conn, why go after your own club, why give the enemy ammunition.
We have few friends in the media so why do so called blues join in, you never see an ex dipper or dipper supporting journalist go after them with all the shit and tricks they've done down the years.
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Sunday Express sports writer fired over Liverpool FC opinion piece vows to continue fighting 'gag on freedom of speech' - Press Gazette

https://pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-e...o-continue-fighting-gag-on-freedom-of-speech/
 
stan bowles said:
Ok - my point was an over simplification but I clearly remember Taylor recalling in his early years at Watford (I assume when they were still a third or fourth tier club) that he came across a statistical report (the one you mention above) about the number of average number of passes needed to score when measured against the percentage of possession. The conclusion was that the fewer touches in getting the ball nearer the opposition's goal made the probability of scoring higher. In Taylor's words "I thought he [the report's author] is on to something here..." It was the work of Wing Commander Charles Reep who way back in the 1950s had invented a strategy known as Match Analysis.

Hence Taylor adopted hoof ball tactics - bypassing the midfield and then pressing the opposition deep in their own half and soon it began to pay dividends as Watford climbed the leagues and reached Division 1. Honing their tactics and fitness levels to a fine degree they soon finished Division One runners up and reached an FA Cup final. However Taylor was a successful small club and should have been nowhere near the England job. Players like Carlton Palmer and Geoff Thomas were given debuts under his reign. Taylor predated Wimbledon's physical and intimidatory approach and it's no wonder England were simply woeful under his tenure. Jack Charlton employed similar tactics with the ROI but it was football of it's time and that's where it should be left.

I occasionally watch non league football if City aren't playing or on international breaks and seeing teams now playing out from the back is something unthinkable before Pep's influence. I guess it's all about what people think of an entertainment - the Irish journalist would presumably welcome a tardis to take him back to the football he watched in 1985 ? If not, he can always go and watch Burnley in 2022.
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As others have said, FA director of coaching Charles Hughes was the main proponent of long ball football in the 70s and 80s. That’s why his disciples like Howe and Taylor got the jobs they did in the England set up and why the likes of Clough never stood a chance
 
Shirley said:
Sunday Express sports writer fired over Liverpool FC opinion piece vows to continue fighting 'gag on freedom of speech' - Press Gazette

https://pressgazette.co.uk/sunday-e...o-continue-fighting-gag-on-freedom-of-speech/
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This is an extract from the article you linked to:

A spokesperson for Reach, the new owner of the Express, said in response that freedom of expression for journalists “is not a free pass to publish ill-informed, inaccurate, and misjudged comments”.


Unless of course it’s about City.
 
LongsightM13 said:
As others have said, FA director of coaching Charles Hughes was the main proponent of long ball football in the 70s and 80s. That’s why his disciples like Howe and Taylor got the jobs they did in the England set up and why the likes of Clough never stood a chance
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And woe betide you if you undertook a coaching badge at that time, I did, and weren't a firm advocate of Hughes's POMO (Position of Maximum Opportunity) philosophy commonly known today as hoofball.
 
Pezzer2 said:
All I remember was after them going 1-0 up Grobbelaar rolling out to Hansen (or any other defender) and them passing it back and him picking it up again. Time wasting at its best in them days
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Yep took them 30 years for their ‘legendary boot room’ to win the title after the backpass law was changed
 
johnevans said:
Step forward Charles 'The Winning Formula' Hughes..

The Loughborough University qualified PE teacher, who never played the game at professional levels, influenced English football theory for many years.. and as you say, was encouraged by Millichip to the detriment of the English game for generations.

My, how we used to stand on the terraces at Maine Road and marvel at how the likes of, say, Dennis Tueart and Peter Barnes would occupy those 'Positions Of Maximum Opportunity' and how the other great players of the day would follow Hughes' advice, never making more than three passes before launching the ball forwards as fast and as far up the pitch as they possibly could..

And meanwhile, those pesky Germans and Frenchies and Argies and Brazilians and Spaniards were wasting their time teaching their players and kids how to kill the ball, retain possession and other useless tactical gubbins like that, as well as increasing their fitness levels while reducing their booze'n'fags intake.. What did they know about anything?!

Proper football, that was in England then! Not like this boring stuff we get served up at The Etihad every other week nowadays..!
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And this is the guy who Charles Hughes learned from:

Charles Reep - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

A right pair of Charlies!
 
manimanc said:
I'm just listening to the Monday Night Club on 5live and one of the topics they will cover is are we too dominant.
Micah is on so hopefully he'll fight our corner.
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As we have all said many times... we NEVER heard such spouted when the Rags were dominant, nor the scousers prior ...
 
red 2 hats said:
I can't get my head around how Dixon thinks, how can anybody who claims to have been a City fan wish defeat on us.
It amounts to treason, how could you turn your back on your club ( I know money talks ) could never have been a proper fan, it's like that prick Conn, why go after your own club, why give the enemy ammunition.
We have few friends in the media so why do so called blues join in, you never see an ex dipper or dipper supporting journalist go after them with all the shit and tricks they've done down the years.
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I could be completely wrong but I suspect for Dixon, and lots of other ex pros in the pundit business, football holds little interest for them now. Get in, do your bit, go home, forget about it until the next time you're being paid to think about it. I'd be amazed if Lee ever went to the Emirates to watch Arsenal unless it was part of a corporate, hospitality role which he was contracted to do. That's not being critical, having lived the game as players I can see why it wouldn't hold the same appeal once they've hung their boots up.
 
I genuinely don't know why we attribute any importance to these twitter, facebook, podcast warriors. If they cannot see the beauty in our football, if they don't understand how great it is to be able to play in a team where every member of that team is regularly involved in the team's play, yes even our keeper, how wonderfully skilled our players are, what incredible creative goals we produce then quite simply they just don't understand the game. They are blinded to our brilliance by their parochial loyalties. I remember my dad told me he went to Maine Road in 1952 and watched a friendly City v River Plate. What he saw blew him away, mesmeric skills, passing on the floor on a difficult pitch every Argentinian player comfortable in possession, sound familiar? He saw the great Barca team before he died and he said playing against them must make you dizzy and confused, in his opinion the ultimate football team. Sadly he passed away before Pep arrived but I know full well how he would have drooled. God we are so lucky!!
 
The perfect fumble said:
RAWK has taken the same view as you, because they can't see the wood for the trees. On the surface this is a fawning article, clever in a school boy debating kind of way because it states the obvious, that we're a bloody good football team, a product of a real project with planning and finance to match our owners ambitions. Yet never far away there is a reference to how this has been achieved, the "happy coincidence so many Emirates-based independent entities have been drawn to the City brand"....."a champion club owned by a country". References to the on going PL investigation in to our finances and so on.

But most damning of all and the real point of the article is....

"it is all startlingly efficient, with something of the machine-for-winning in the way City have reduced the league season to an irresistible formula"

Ronay's objective is to highlight how insidious we are, how by nefarious means we have constructed a soulless machine-for-winning "sport reduced to a fine point – high-end and cold-eyed"

I repeat, this is the nub of the article....

"City have reduced the league season to an irresistible formula"

I repeat again...

"City have reduced the league"

Ronay wants his readers to be in no doubt that City's success is not a good thing for the Premier League. The whole point of the article is to highlight that among our many crimes, the greatest of them all is that we've hammered the final nail in the coffin of fair play, competitiveness and jumpers for goal posts.
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I guess there are different ways of viewing things and perhaps I am guilty of your implied criticism of not seeing the woods for the trees. On the other hand, maybe you’re implying motivations on others as wrongly as you are implying them on me. Who knows?
 
bongsblue said:
I genuinely don't know why we attribute any importance to these twitter, facebook, podcast warriors. If they cannot see the beauty in our football, if they don't understand how great it is to be able to play in a team where every member of that team is regularly involved in the team's play, yes even our keeper, how wonderfully skilled our players are, what incredible creative goals we produce then quite simply they just don't understand the game. They are blinded to our brilliance by their parochial loyalties. I remember my dad told me he went to Maine Road in 1952 and watched a friendly City v River Plate. What he saw blew him away, mesmeric skills, passing on the floor on a difficult pitch every Argentinian player comfortable in possession, sound familiar? He saw the great Barca team before he died and he said playing against them must make you dizzy and confused, in his opinion the ultimate football team. Sadly he passed away before Pep arrived but I know full well how he would have drooled. God we are so lucky!!
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Great post mate, puts these so called journalists to shame trying to tell us and anybody else that we’re watching boring robotic football.
 
manimanc said:
I'm just listening to the Monday Night Club on 5live and one of the topics they will cover is are we too dominant.
Micah is on so hopefully he'll fight our corner.
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Just listened to some of this. Who was that tool called Chris that was arguing with Micah about how much we have spent?
 
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