Middle East Conflict

[Scottyboi]

Bloody hell state of that, refugee camp allegedly.

 

[Vic]

Yeah the oppressed,the used,the victimised,have always throughout history have risen up and thrown off the evil ones....

For fucks sake.

I did mention the Bar Kokhba revolt against the Romans. They didn't throw off the evil empire. And that led to the Diaspora.

 

[Ducado]

Here’s a thought for those crying out for revenge, do the Palestinians have the right to seek revenge and justice for the 9 killed on the West Bank today?

 

[hilts]

Unfortunately you’re not wrong Hilts.
But there’s the hard part that should no longer be shied away from in bold above.
That’s the hard part, that the current leadership will not put the hard yards on.
Where would The North have been without the likes of John Hume?

I do think internationally that the world should not so much be pressurising Israel, but offering them an alternative and also actively getting involved in promoting democracy to the Palestinian people.

What do I know however, less than yourself I’m sure.

While I get the comparisons with NI it doesn't relate though to the aftermath of an event like Saturday nor the players, for want of a better word, involved.

We don't need to be heads of state to come up with ideas on solutions. They will be helpless as the rest of us. One thing I agree on is the ongoing total support from the UK and the yanks is not something I'm comfortable with.

 

[meltonblue]

What justifiable action would you expect? and remember you have to put yourself in their shoes. Turning the other cheek was obviously a no go and I believe if what's going to happen happens it will be catastrophic not only for the innocent civilians in the area but for other countries as well.

I think once Saturday happened this has followed an inevitable path. If there is a way out I have yet to hear it. It's easier to say what people shouldn't do but coming up with a solution needs to follow. I believe an unimaginable amount of people will continue to die. I don't see it going any other way. I hope I'm very wrong.

I have seen a few people say what did Hamas expect and ultimately the answer is it would have been exactly this, as you say it’s an inevitable path. In war, the last thing you ideally want to do is anything the other side see as inevitable.

Found this an interesting read on why this might be exactly what Hamas (and Iran) want -

Israel Is Walking Into a Trap

Storming into Gaza will fulfill Hamas’s wish.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Scottyboi]

Reuters journalist killed by shelling from Israel, brave person gave their life trying to keep the world informed.

 

[hilts]

I have seen a few people say what did Hamas expect and ultimately the answer is it would have been exactly this, as you say it’s an inevitable path. In war, the last thing you ideally want to do is anything the other side see as inevitable.

Found this an interesting read on why this might be exactly what Hamas (and Iran) want -

Israel Is Walking Into a Trap

Storming into Gaza will fulfill Hamas’s wish.

www.theatlantic.com

Yet again what's the alternative acceptable to the Israeli population.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Grant Three Names absolutely fuckin dismantled. How is this chancer anyway near being our Defence Minister.

I’m not quite sure, but have the Israelis provided notice in advance?

 

[meltonblue]

Yet again what's the alternative acceptable to the Israeli population.

Not sure I get the question, I agreed with you it was an inevitable act. It’s exactly that that makes the article an interesting read.

 

[domalino]

I still can’t get over that grant Schapps interview.

He attacked the BBC for following OFCOM rules (so presumably he didn’t know the OFCOM rules)

He couldn’t pronounce Hamas right for the first 5 minutes (but then changed)

He claimed he’d seen videos of babies being beheaded even though the Israeli government has now come out and said that didn’t happen.

And he couldn’t answer a single question about even the most basic things.


I think it’s one of the worst interviews by an MP I can remember and he’s the fucking defence minister!

 

[The blue phantom]

Reuters journalist killed by shelling from Israel, brave person gave their life trying to keep the world informed.

Over a Dozen UN workers killed too.

 

[The blue phantom]

I still can’t get over that grant Schapps interview.

He attacked the BBC for following OFCOM rules.

He couldn’t pronounce Hamas right for the first 5 minutes (but then changed)

He claimed he’d seen videos of babies being beheaded even though the Israeli government has now come out and said that didn’t happen.

And he couldn’t answer a single question./


I think it’s one of the worst interviews by an MP I can remember and he’s the fucking defence minister!

And he's our Defence Minister, Hard to believe. All he was interested in was avoiding answering a question and laying into the BBC. I mean I'm convinced he wasn't aware Hamas had only been on the Terror list for 2 years.

 

[hilts]

Not sure I get the question, I agreed with you it was an inevitable act. It’s exactly that that makes the article an interesting read.

Error on my part apologies, watching the news now absolute heartbreaking and a total shit show.

 

[domalino]

Here’s a thought for those crying out for revenge, do the Palestinians have the right to seek revenge and justice for the 9 killed on the West Bank today?

All these eye for an eye posts keeps reminding me of this scene

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What do you mean?

The Israelis have told everyone to evacuate in 24hours and the international community is gradually pointing out there’s

1 - Nowhere for them to go
2 - Not enough time to move that many people
3 - Israel has shut down the mains water so they can’t leave leave the few places that has water.

Thanks, I managed work all that out for myself.

I was referencing the fact that Shapps said those words (Michael Howard style) each time he was asked if 24 hours was sufficient to evacuate a million people, which he never answered.

For those unable to appreciate that, I was basically saying that he is a fucking ****.

 

[M18CTID]

What do you mean?

The Israelis have told everyone to evacuate in 24hours and the international community is gradually pointing out there’s

1 - Nowhere for them to go
2 - Not enough time to move that many people
3 - Israel has shut down the mains water so they can’t leave leave the few places that has water.

He was taking the piss out of the amount of times Schapps said in the interview that the Israelis had provided notice in advance

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Do you think it's possible you hold extreme beliefs?

Does anyone, subjectively speaking?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

He was taking the piss out of the amount of times Schapps said in the interview that the Israelis had provided notice in advance

At least someone has the wherewithal to keep up with my supreme intellect.

 

[Ducado]

At least someone has the wherewithal to keep up with my supreme intellect.

That’s why you are so well loved and admired

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Bloody hell state of that, refugee camp allegedly.

Hamas sometimes fire rockets from the land of people they don’t like because they know Israel will demolish the property or area. Not the case in this example, I know.