Oasis reunion

Coatigan said:
The City season ticket holders getting first dibs (partly jokey as I read it) suggsation isn't that outrageous tbf. Oasis have made such a thing about being City fans, both themselves and the club have used the attachment for PR, both brothers have benefited from getting access to all sorts of perks including the dressing room etc. And using the treble to set the reunion rumours in motion. I don't begrudge or judge it in the slightest, some of it is even 'cool'. And I don't particularly agree with the suggestions City fans should get first pick, but, it wouldn't at all be 'off-brand' with what the image they have built. The 'real fans' less so, but even that based on some of their public proclamations and views put out there is not that wild.

Not arguing it should be the case, but these claims did not appear completely unprompted.
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I said this a while ago, would’ve been a smart bit of marketing to do a city presale. Fans of other clubs would complain but it’d have tied in well with this definitely maybe city clothing range stuff they’re now announcing.

I’m sure they at least toyed with the idea and it got written off for some reason or other.
 
tedmak said:
Isnt that the case already? There are no set matchday prices and the prices move about a fair bit depending on who City play.
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Yes but they don't increase the price once most of the tickets have been sold - yet
 
Shaelumstash said:
Think you're potentially missing the point here.

I waited in the queue for 7 hours, looking for £150 tickets. When I eventually got to the front, the exact same ticket had been hiked up to £350.

I chose not to buy it.

At least half a dozen people I know experienced the exact same thing.

Had I known they were £350 from the off, I wouldn't have wasted 7 hours in the queue, because I know £350 is not a price I'd be willing to pay.

Other industries like airlines and trains, even Uber have "dynamic" pricing, and everyone accepts and understands that.

Clearly a train to London that gets you there for 8.30am on a Monday morning is going to be priced higher than a 2pm train on a Tuesday afternoon, because the demand is so much higher.

Everyone understands that, and accepts it.

As a consumer you have a choice - pay a premium for the most in demand time slot, or pay a cheaper price to go off peak.

You know the price you're being asked to pay before you get in the queue.

The difference with these gig tickets was, it was done under false pretence.

The overwhelming majority of people (including all the people I know who experienced it) had no clue the price would be more than doubled by the time they got to the front of the queue to buy.

It was underhand and exploitative.

And the difference with peak and off peak trains is, they're different services, offering different benefits. There's a premium attached to the more attractive service. There's consumer choice.

With the standing tickets, whether £150 or £350, they are the exact same service. There is no consumer choice. Those who chose not to buy are not consumers.
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Two people in the office (office not building) I'm in today and there four of us in had higher priced tickets in their baskets and decided against. One didn't realise the price until he came to check out.

Ticketmaster claim the dynamic pricing allows them the sale of tickets at closer to their true market value but that is bollocks, unless you define the market in stupidly narrow terms.

Oasis tickets are a mass market product and £350 for standing of £500 for a seat is not a mass market price. The dynamic pricing here is operating at the margins: it's the price that desperate people will pay. Like selling a bottle of water to someone in the middle of the desert that is dying from dehydration.
 
I'm not really here said:
To be honest I've had it in for Noel ever since he turned his nose up at the One Love Manchester gig, that was the time for Oasis to reform, but obviously wasn't interested because there was no money in it for him

I always remember which Gallagher turned up that day.
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Amen and same here.
Noel Gallagher was, is, and always will be, a twat.
A modern day Cilla Black. “Loves Manchester, alright ‘R kid” but literally couldn’t fuck off to London fast enough. That One Love concert was the one chance he had to do something tangible for the City he professes to love and instead he stayed the fuck away.
The real Gallagher brother turned up however, and that was enough for me.
He’s a wanker.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I don't think they have sold their souls. I think they have behaved how 99% of people with their background would have.
I come from Newton Heath and probably have a similar background and upbringing to the Gallaghers (Newton Heath is a lot more destitute than Burnage).
I guarantee that the vast, vast majority of uneducated people, from working class backgrounds, in Manchester, who have grown up with nothing, would have screwed everyone for as much as they can get. Just like the Gallaghers have.
They will sort their mates out and fuck everyone else. I have seen this attitude on a far smaller scale, every single day of my life.
How the Gallaghers have behaved is exactly how I would have expected them to behave. They have not sold out.
They are not middle class, educated intellectuals, like Tony Wilson, who believe in a grand utopia. Wilson died because he could not afford the cancer treatments which may have extended his life. All because of his moral crusade and beliefs. He could have been a very rich man.
The Gallaghers have ensured nothing like that will ever happen to them. I don't blame them for that. They have just taken advantage of the system. It's the system which is wrong and that needs regulating.
Whether you believe how the Gallaghers have behaved is right or wrong, is irrelevant . For me, they have behaved exactly how I would have expected. You can take the boy out of Manchester.

20 years ago, everyone loved the fact that the Gallaghers did not give up a fuck. Now that people have realised that it is not an act and they really do not give a fuck, people are up in arms as the attitude they all loved has now cost them a lot of money.
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I agree with a lot of this. I should add that I am somewhat conflicted as I've been heavily involved with campaigning for cheaper football tickets down the years. I'm also massively opposed to dynamic pricing for gigs and it would've been great if Oasis had railed against that from the off rather than agreeing to it. In their defence (if you can call it a defence), they're far from alone as the likes of Springsteen and Coldplay have, in the past, agreed to dynamic pricing for their gigs too. To that end, they can't be accused of giving any less of a fuck as Bruce Springsteen and Chris Martin but for some reason Oasis seem to be getting a lot more shit for it than those two.

Dynamic pricing issues aside, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Gig prices are high pretty much everywhere these days but gigs are different to football matches in that many football fans attend 20,30,or 40 matches a season, whereas you'll be hard pushed to find even the most diehard Oasis fan who has attended 20,30,or 40 Oasis gigs in their lifetime. Put another way, I went to see The Killers at the Co-Op Live in June and my standing tickets were £103.50 each including booking fee. If City charged that for a CL QF or SF I'd be far more inclined to kick off about that than I was when I stumped up the money for my Killers tickets. That's partly because I attend every City home game when I'm around to do so, but I've only been to 7 or 8 Killers gigs. I spend far more money on football tickets every year than I do gig tickets.

Apart from the dynamic pricing, I don't think the Gallaghers have shat on anyone really. They've got to where they are through their own efforts and they're clearly reaping the rewards of that. I'd challenge anyone on this forum not to maximise their own popularity if they found themselves in the same situation as Liam and Noel. Questions definitely should be asked about the dynamic pricing but beyond that, they're getting unwarranted stick compared to many other artists who charge a fortune for concert tickets too.
 
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jrb said:
Despite the backlash, comments by the chief executive of Live Nation Entertainment, which owns Ticketmaster, indicated that fans in the UK, Ireland and Europe can expect dynamic pricing to become much more common.

Speaking in February, as Live Nation unveiled a 36% increase in annual revenues to $22.7bn, its chief executive, Michael Rapino, said: “Outside of the US, we’re in the first inning … We’re just rolling this [dynamic pricing] out around the world. So that’s the great growth opportunity, obviously.
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Openly admitting they’re robbing bastards. Fair enough, it’s their company and they can do whatever they want and it works for them.
BlueHammer85 said:
I would say it’s Noel that only agreed to this tour on the basis he makes as much as possible, he can’t be arsed and doesn’t really want to be back with his brother again - just wants to get it over and done with for maximum pay out. Is my feeling anyway.
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If you watch videos of them both over the years since the breakup, I don’t think I’ve ever heard Noel say he misses his brother. Liam on the other hand has done several times. Noel was never a rock n roll star, or a wannabe. Where as Liam was, Noel didn’t want that life anymore and he probably doesn’t want it now.
 
M18CTID said:
I agree with a lot of this. I should add that I am somewhat conflicted as I've been heavily involved with campaigning for cheaper football tickets down the years. I'm also massively opposed to dynamic pricing for gigs and it would've been great if Oasis had railed against that from the off rather than agreeing to it. In their defence (if you can call it a defence), they're far from alone as the likes of Springsteen and Coldplay have, in the past, agreed to dynamic pricing for their gigs too. To that end, they can't be accused of giving any less of a fuck as Bruce Springsteen and Chris Martin but for some reason Oasis seem to be getting a lot more shit for it than those two.

Dynamic pricing issues aside, I agree wholeheartedly with your post. Gig prices are high pretty much everywhere these days but gigs are different to football matches in that many football fans attend 20,30,or 40 matches a season, whereas you'll be hard pushed to find even the most diehard Oasis fan who has attended 20,30,or 40 Oasis gigs in their lifetime. Put another way, I went to see The Killers at the Co-Op Live in June and my standing tickets were £103.50 each including booking fee. If City charged that for a CL QF or SF I'd be far more inclined to kick off about that than I was when I stumped up the money for my Killers tickets. That's partly because I attend every City home game when I'm around to do so, but I've only been to 7 or 8 Killers gigs. I spend far more money on football tickets every year than I do gig tickets.

Apart from the dynamic pricing issue, I don't think the Gallaghers have shat on anyone really. They've got to where they are through their own efforts and they're clearly reaping the rewards of that. I'd challenge anyone on this forum not to maximise their own popularity if they found themselves in the same situation as Liam and Noel. Questions definitely should be asked about the dynamic pricing but beyond that, they're getting unwarranted stick compared to many other artists who charge a fortune for concert tickets too.
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I think the difference is, one of the reasons they became so popular is because they were against the corporate machine.

Noel''s on record at an award ceremony saying it means more that it was voted for by "the people as opposed to corporate pigs".

He said at the outset the band was there to destroy people like Phil Collins and Sting.

In his interview with John Robb the other week, he said it was "the people" that kept Oasis alive. Not executives, or the industry, but "the people".

No one resents them making a load of money. Good luck to them getting their £55m. But they could have got £50m and not tarnished their reputation and legacy.

Noel has now gone way past Phil Collins and become this generation's Barbara Streisand.
 
Feel quite relieved that the £355 tickets didn’t load when I was on the website. I thought normal tickets had sold out and those ones were the only ones left and were in a premium area or something. Would have been well pissed off to find there was nothing extra for the additional £200. Fucking scam charging that much.
 
I'm not really here said:
To be honest I've had it in for Noel ever since he turned his nose up at the One Love Manchester gig, that was the time for Oasis to reform, but obviously wasn't interested because there was no money in it for him

I always remember which Gallagher turned up that day.
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Another simplistic view of something a poster knows next to nothing about on this thread.

Maybe that was the time for them NOT to reform. Maybe Noel knew more about his volatile relationship with his brother than you did at the time and he didn't want any controversy to cloud a benefit concerns for the victims of a terror attack.

But dynamic pricing affected people on Saturday so let's pile in on anything we can regarding Noel Gallagher.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Amen and same here.
Noel Gallagher was, is, and always will be, a twat.
A modern day Cilla Black. “Loves Manchester, alright ‘R kid” but literally couldn’t fuck off to London fast enough. That One Love concert was the one chance he had to do something tangible for the City he professes to love and instead he stayed the fuck away.
The real Gallagher brother turned up however, and that was enough for me.
He’s a wanker.
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Yep. IIRC Noel was too busy celebrating his 50th birthday somewhere in the States. Liam was also busy gigging in Germany but flew back home straight after performing over there to do One Love Manchester.

Edit: It seems Noel was actually on holiday in Italy with his family at the time so it would've been easier for him to get back over than if he was in the States.
 
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Cellarite said:
Another simplistic view of something a poster knows next to nothing about on this thread.

Maybe that was the time for them NOT to reform. Maybe Noel knew more about his volatile relationship with his brother than you did at the time and he didn't want any controversy to cloud a benefit concerns for the victims of a terror attack.

But dynamic pricing affected people on Saturday so let's pile in on anything we can regarding Noel Gallagher.
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I don't agree with the poster that it was the right time for them to reform but Noel could've put in an appearance separately from Liam. Liam didn't turn up until later that evening as he was doing his festival slot in Germany so they could've both played and not even had the misfortune of bumping into each other.
 
Shaelumstash said:
I think the difference is, one of the reasons they became so popular is because they were against the corporate machine.

Noel''s on record at an award ceremony saying it means more that it was voted for by "the people as opposed to corporate pigs".

He said at the outset the band was there to destroy people like Phil Collins and Sting.

In his interview with John Robb the other week, he said it was "the people" that kept Oasis alive. Not executives, or the industry, but "the people".

No one resents them making a load of money. Good luck to them getting their £55m. But they could have got £50m and not tarnished their reputation and legacy.

Noel has now gone way past Phil Collins and become this generation's Barbara Streisand.
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Fair enough. I don't think they ever became popular because they were against the corporate machine though. For me, they became popular because they knocked out a shit load of great music, particularly on the first 2 albums. I seem to recall the build-up to the release of their third album was hyped up way beyond the first two so they were playing the corporate game a hell of a long time ago.
 
I remember when if you wanted a ticket for football or a concert all you had to do was find the date time of sale,go to venue or selling agent join the queue depending on how popular it was you generally had the ticket in you hand within a hour and you paid the price on the ticket,no booking fee or dynamic pricing or resale sites selling at super inflated prices
 
jrb said:
All Oasis need to do is to tell Live Nation and Ticket Master to refund the dynamic pricing ticket price increase back to the people that paid it. A refund is easy to do.
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that will never happen, they will say oasis signed up to the terms and conditions and that was part of them
 
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