Spurs (H) Post Match Thread

[yerwot?]

A driving force behind Var was the wrestling that goes on,unpunished, in the penalty area.When it is highlighted by tv it brings the game into disrepute. The situation is "only after a goal is scored is Var employed", yet we were led to believe that "all incidents are scrutinised". Obviously that is bollox.
Once again pgmol have been shown to be incapable of being fit to administer the game, just amateurish knee-jerk responses that have made matters worse, let alone laying themselves open to "favouritism". Without the media on side, the situation will not change, but the media have their own agenda so fans are left with forums on social media to vent their dissatisfaction. Not good enough, the game deserves better and so do we...Until accountability is forced on the adminastrators its SNAFU......

 

[Cheer Up Peter Reid]

because of the bit that is in bold and red...deliberate or not it created a goal scoring opportunity

a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity

But surely he never gained control of the ball so whether it went on to create a goal-scoring opportunity is irrelevant?

 

[danielwood5]

because of the bit that is in bold and red...deliberate or not it created a goal scoring opportunity

I disagree there, I think the important bit is where it says 'a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity'.
With the ball only glancing off Laporte's arm at no point did he have control or possession of the ball so there was no way he could do anything involving an 'and then'.
The rule is written to prevent occasions where a ball accidentally hits a players arm and the ball either drops to the players feet or is diverted towards a teammate. A ball brushing a players arm does not constitute 'control or possesion'.

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

This is what the goal was disallowed for, nice, seems legit

Cos I fuckin' don't: /

 

[The Preacher]

Calmed down a bit from last night. Bottom line, we missed too many chances at 2-1 that would have killed the game. Not sure what it is about Spurs but they score a few at our place. Remember that 2-2 in Pep's 1st season, we were cruising at 2 up then they scored two quickly with virtually their only shots on goal?
They got a ludicrous pen as well under Pellegrini in his last season when it hit Sterling's back. Plus, we got denied that blatant penalty when Walker fouled Raz in the 2-2.
Then of course the CL game last season when they scored with just about every effort on goal, same against last night. Plus of course shafted by VAR.
I wish Bernado would waken up and get back to last season's form, bad miss from him at 2-1. Poor goalkeeping for their 1st goal, badly out of position plus too far out of his goal. Switched off for their 2nd from the corner.
Rose should have been sent off for wiping out Bernado in the 1st half, ridiculous decision from Oliver, as was the non-penalty incident in the 1st half.
I thought they were getting through our midfield on the break far too easily in the 2nd half, were we lacking a bit of steel in there yesterday?
Some fantastic balls in from KDB and some truly awful ones as well, especially 2nd half.
Lots to like about our play as usual, played some lovely stuff at times. Shot count of 29-3 sums up ultimately, how fortunate Spurs were to get a point out of a complete mullering.

Another fair and balanced summary of the game. We can rage all we want - and with justification - at VAR but missed chances, bad defending and some poor decision making when in good positions to hurt Spurs ultimately cost us the three points.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Arsene is the man in the van at Stockley Park (so I heard!)

I heard it was Arsene, Fergie and Kenny Dalglish

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

I dont think it works perfectly but then it cannt ever do as humans are just using machinary to interprit things and humans are falable (or open to corruption/bias if that is your line of thinking)

However the hand ball call in my opinion (and in accordance to the laws of the game - which i think are wrong) was the correct call

the rodri/lamella incident for me was a clear foul....but the ref on he pitch nor the VAR ref agree's - that happened regualrly before VAR - what constitutes a foul is always open to debate...

VAr works in someways not in others. But its the humans in charge not the system itself

Not sure how anyone without an agenda can say it wasn’t a foul on Rodri. Incomprehensible that anyone looking at that can say no foul. Can only draw the conclusion that someone is bent

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

According to the premier league's website "Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental", which I think is the basis on which most people have accepted yesterday's decision.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1263332

However at the bottom of the same page is a link to the IFAB handball law changes in full which has the following definition...

The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:

• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/786/111531_110319_IFAB_LoG_at_a_Glance.pdf

• the ball did not go into the goal after touching Laporte's arm
• he did not gain control/possession of the ball after it touched his arm

So why was the goal disallowed?

Spot on. Either the law needs rewriting or it was incorrectly, maybe on purpose, interpreted yesterday. Same with the Wolves goal last week as Boly didn’t gain possession or control of the ball.

 

[BluessinceHydeRoad]

If City can maintain that level over 38 PL games we will win the PL VAR or no VAR.

 

[berryblue]

Pics and comments on the game against Spurs and VAR are now online at
http://www.rtfract.com/citaug19a.html

Where's the pic of Rodri being strangled? Has it been removed in case it offends VAR Officials?

 

[asahartford1]

I cannot understand how Bernardo makes 3 Spuds look like chimps, then gets elbowed in the face and the free kick goes against him???
When I saw that, I knew this match was ‘fixed’.

It's not the match fixed, but the referee prepared to cheat. That was the worst decision of the day, in that he must have seen it to give it.

 

[citytill1die84]

Poor Jesus he's had 2 perfectly good goals disallowed already.

 

[Indaparkside]

If City can maintain that level over 38 PL games we will win the PL VAR or no VAR.

If you were a player yesterday you would want to win everything insight just to fuck off those corrupt cvunts in our game?? I bet pep is drumming this into them daily

 

[Barcon]

a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity

But surely he never gained control of the ball so whether it went on to create a goal-scoring opportunity is irrelevant?

And you would be right.

 

[asahartford1]

As harsh as it seems the decision to disallow the 'winning' goal is probably correct under the current interpretation of the laws of the game (but I absolutely do not agree with it) - what I don’t get though is why the rugby tackle on Rodri was deemed not to be an obvious error - that looks like a classic case where, at the very least, the referee should be advised to review via the pitch side monitor. I wouldn’t be surprised if the BBC don’t even show it on MOTD

As I was at the ground I’d be interested to know what the so called impartial sky pundits made of it

Actually Sky pundits were unanimous, We played Great, was a definite penalty and Oliver was wrong as was VAR. So I think you you were right , they were impartial.

 

[JPBB]

It was an odd game

Of course, by any normal standards that is a 5-0 game.

Notwithstanding City’s excellence, Spurs were particularly pathetic.

It is odd that Spurs only committed 4 fouls. Normally under this type of pressure we’d break the game up.

It is odd the goals City conceded. Were they not soft even by soft goals standards? Moura is the smallest player on the pitch?

The surprising VAR decisions?

It was almost as if someone wanted it to finish 2-2

Anyway, it’s a point.

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

I think a lot of people still think we are in last season and not a new one. You don't have to win every game to win the league and. That was an ok result (if we beat them away), and if we play like that we have a good chance of winning it again. We have a decent run of games now, the type of run where you can put markers down as we did in the centurion season.

 

[55yr old teenager]

Oliver

again....its cause VAR isnt there to over rule the ref on decisions unless its a clear and obvious mistake...but it will heck ALL goals.....

OliverI dont think VAR will give penalties unless its a handball or other decisiont he ref has clearlhy missed....and as the ref didnt miss the challenges then VAR isnt going to overrule him....

you an question the deision of the ref to not give the pen but not VAR....

Oliver Did miss the foul on rodri for the pen. If u watch the footage back he is looking over to his right. By the time he is looking straight at the incident rodri is on the ground, so Oliver never saw it. That in my mind is a clear and obvious mistake that should have been reviewed by VAR!!

 

[Ithryn Luin]

According to the premier league's website "Any goal scored or created with the use of the hand or arm will be disallowed this season even if it is accidental", which I think is the basis on which most people have accepted yesterday's decision.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/1263332

However at the bottom of the same page is a link to the IFAB handball law changes in full which has the following definition...

The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick:

• the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
• a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
• the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)

http://static-3eb8.kxcdn.com/documents/786/111531_110319_IFAB_LoG_at_a_Glance.pdf

• the ball did not go into the goal after touching Laporte's arm
• he did not gain control/possession of the ball after it touched his arm

So why was the goal disallowed?

Because the officials are officious! Rather than look at an incident on merit and on its individuality they are looking very hard for anything to disallow the goal. That goal should never have been disallowed. The current offside law is not capable of giving attacking teams the advantage and we need clear daylight. As a neutral watching yesterdays game I felt robbed of a great finsih to a game!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I think a lot of people still think we are in last season and not a new one. You don't have to win every game to win the league and. That was an ok result (if we beat them away), and if we play like that we have a good chance of winning it again. We have a decent run of games now, the type of run where you can put markers down as we did in the centurion season.

There will be more of the same via VAR and blinkered refs as the season wears on. Yesterday was not a one off - others will follow as sure as night follows day. There will be refs looking away from the action and another blatant pen will go begging, and arm or hand or no arm or hand another goal of ours will be chalked off.