The decision to loan Barry and keep Garcia.

[Ban-jani]

Right back from banging my head against a brick wall. So as we seem to have another slate Garcia thread for which he doesn't seem to deserve as lets be honest he hasn't done anything wrong as with the rest of the team in the last 12 games.

So as Garcia seems to be the player that is fashionable to slate when compared to the other players in the team he hasn't done much wrong I ask you all this question.

Garcia or Fellaini

This will be a good reflection on how people view footballers.

It obviously hasn't knocked any sense into you.
This isn't a thread designed to slate Garcia, but one to determine whether
Barry being loaned and Garcia retaining his squad place was the correct decision.

Barry is in fine form and his passing is very good from deep, I think he would have made
a difference to what Garcia has offered.

Javi hasn't done anything wrong but I don't feel he would contribute
as much as Gareth.

And I'd rather have Fellaini.

 

[Gordyola]

Just another excuse to knock Garcia who is a far better player than given credit for by a lot of blues

Not at all, I get behind Garcia when I'm at the match, I don't rate him though and I do rate Barry. Are we not allowed to give opinions on what could be improved?
If so, go to RAWK and you will fit right in.

Every player has his sell by date, as much as I liked Barry it was clear last season that the club wouldn't be offering him an extension to his contract and that this season he wouldn't be starting as often as he would like. So in the days of FFP it would makes perfect sense as he enters his final year of his contract to move him on. The loan deal with Neverton, where they pay his wages made perfect sense. From what Ive heard they will not be offering him a permanent deal.

I don't understand why you assume that it was either him or Garcia, this is why I see a this as another thread knocking Garcia. I never said you cant have opinion that is what a forum is all about and I don't know what RAWK is

 

[spidermanc]

I rate Barry however with yaya and fernandinho he wouldn't have got many starts. I think Barry wanted more first team action than he would have got at City and took the decision to move to get more minutes.

Most city fans would like to have seen him stay but in a world cup year, with his age and state of play with his contract you can't blame him for looking for a move.<br /><br />-- Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:26 pm --<br /><br />I rate Barry however with yaya and fernandinho he wouldn't have got many starts. I think Barry wanted more first team action than he would have got at City and took the decision to move to get more minutes.

Most city fans would like to have seen him stay but in a world cup year, with his age and state of play with his contract you can't blame him for looking for a move.

 

[chris85mcfc]

I can't believe this hasn't been discussed on here already.

Barry is in the last year of his contract with us. Garcia is doing what Barry would have done for us for half the money.

It's the same as the myth about De-Jong imo, don't get me wrong they were both good players for us and did their job effectively. But some people go on as if they were world beaters.

De Jong is playing in a Milan team that is mid table in Italy.

So is Balotelli, Mexes, Robinho, El Shaarawy, Kaka, Zapata. All better players than a mid table team and AC Milan are not historically a mid table team
Although I do agree with you on the De Jong myth

But still mid table. Like United, obviously not historically out of the top 4 but this season are 7-10 points off the pace despite having Rooney, RVP, Vidic, Kagawa, Rafael (all of which are on par with the names above).

And lets be honest, Serie A isn't a patch on our league.

Glad you agree on De-Jong, loved the guy but he was so limited.<br /><br />-- Tue Jan 14, 2014 12:29 pm --<br /><br />

Right back from banging my head against a brick wall. So as we seem to have another slate Garcia thread for which he doesn't seem to deserve as lets be honest he hasn't done anything wrong as with the rest of the team in the last 12 games.

So as Garcia seems to be the player that is fashionable to slate when compared to the other players in the team he hasn't done much wrong I ask you all this question.

Garcia or Fellaini

This will be a good reflection on how people view footballers.

It obviously hasn't knocked any sense into you.
This isn't a thread designed to slate Garcia, but one to determine whether
Barry being loaned and Garcia retaining his squad place was the correct decision.

Barry is in fine form and his passing is very good from deep, I think he would have made
a difference to what Garcia has offered.

Javi hasn't done anything wrong but I don't feel he would contribute
as much as Gareth.

And I'd rather have Fellaini.

But tbf mate, the thread title makes it sound as if it was either to keep Barry or Garcia. This was never the case. If Barry wanted to see his contract out we would have kept both.

 

[FantasyIreland]

From what Ive heard they will not be offering him a permanent deal.

I find that difficult to believe as Barry has become the heartbeat of their side,he has also allowed Barkley the opportunity to develop and flourish.Signing him on a free would seem a no brainer.

Where have you heard different?

 

[obliquerays]

Pointless as this argument is, its obvious that the best decision has been made for Barry - he's playing regularly, performing very well and now has every chance of going to Brasil. While if he was still here, he'd be in and out of the team and not be enjoying himself as much or playing at his best, being used to shore things up as a late sub or starting only in the less intense cup games would not work for him.

Basically its very simple. Gareth Barry is not a squad player. It wouldn't work for him, he needs regular games to maintain his top form, to remain sharp and match fit. He'd probably stick on a few pound while looking whistfully through a Greggs window ...
We saw signs of it last season when he wasn't playing every week and under Pellers he'd not be dynamic enough to play as Dinhos understudy and his game would suffer to the point he'd hardly be any more use than Garcia, who at least knows his role and is growing into it. Let it go.

 

[Ban-jani]

Just another excuse to knock Garcia who is a far better player than given credit for by a lot of blues

Not at all, I get behind Garcia when I'm at the match, I don't rate him though and I do rate Barry. Are we not allowed to give opinions on what could be improved?
If so, go to RAWK and you will fit right in.

Every player has his sell by date, as much as I liked Barry it was clear last season that the club wouldn't be offering him an extension to his contract and that this season he wouldn't be starting as often as he would like. So in the days of FFP it would makes perfect sense as he enters his final year of his contract to move him on. The loan deal with Neverton, where they pay his wages made perfect sense. From what Ive heard they will not be offering him a permanent deal.

I don't understand why you assume that it was either him or Garcia, this is why I see a this as another thread knocking Garcia. I never said you cant have opinion that is what a forum is all about and I don't know what RAWK is

Do I really need to answer that? I will anyway...
Possibly because they play in the same position, and nobody
would take Rodwell because of his injuries.

Neither Barry or Garcia will be playing for us next season, until then
I would have preferred Barry and I would of liked to think
we could have made a deal to keep him for one more year and sell Garcia.

 

[TFC]

Heres the way I'm looking at the situation. Pellegrini has improved a number of our players performances significantly, Kolarov, Nasri, Milner etc and I see things going the same way with Javi. As mentioned he has put in quiet but solid performances in his last half a dozen outings which is pretty much exactly what Barry used to do for us.

Will he ever be a mainstay of our side? Not on your nelly, but the way we are playing under MP, neither would Barry.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Not at all, I get behind Garcia when I'm at the match, I don't rate him though and I do rate Barry. Are we not allowed to give opinions on what could be improved?
If so, go to RAWK and you will fit right in.

Every player has his sell by date, as much as I liked Barry it was clear last season that the club wouldn't be offering him an extension to his contract and that this season he wouldn't be starting as often as he would like. So in the days of FFP it would makes perfect sense as he enters his final year of his contract to move him on. The loan deal with Neverton, where they pay his wages made perfect sense. From what Ive heard they will not be offering him a permanent deal.

I don't understand why you assume that it was either him or Garcia, this is why I see a this as another thread knocking Garcia. I never said you cant have opinion that is what a forum is all about and I don't know what RAWK is

Do I really need to answer that? I will anyway...
Possibly because they play in the same position, and nobody
would take Rodwell because of his injuries.

Neither Barry or Garcia will be playing for us next season, until then
I would have preferred Barry and I would of liked to think
we could have made a deal to keep him for one more year and sell Garcia.

But one thing you don't appear to have grasped or even considered, is the fact that Barry wanted first team football, which is something that we couldn't have offered him because a) he can't move the ball quick enough b) he wouldn't fit into the pressing game that we have adapted in every game this season.

I agree that he could have come in and done a job, as Javi has, but he wanted to play week in week out in a world cup season. It really isn't rocket science.

 

[FantasyIreland]

a) he can't move the ball quick enough b) he wouldn't fit into the pressing game that we have adapted in every game this season.

Granted the first team games are a fundamental reason he has moved imo,however,both your points above are abilities Barry is significantly better at than Garcia.He is also a far better creative player and much 'cuter' in his play.

All moot points though given the fact he didnt want to be sat on our bench.