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Would you be happy if City joined this European Super League?

  • Yes

    Votes: 99 5.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1,888 95.0%

  • Total voters
    1,987

SilverFox2

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It was never going to happen. It was so batshit crazy.. it really wasn’t worth getting stressed about. Us and TBF the Chavs were never into this but felt we couldn’t afford to be left out in the cold imo. The two cornerstones of the premier league are not coming out of this looking good though. The media seems to hold them accountable and let’s be honest it is largely their owners vision.
Frankly it matters little to us, the media, referees, var, PL and UEFA hate us anyway so what's new?
Perhaps us fans will be wrongly associated with it but what's new in us taking rubbish from other fans?

What's happened is gone and the media will have great difficulty blaming just City. Our collective club enemies have been sorted out, they are still in debt and they have abandoned Clubs who signed the letter to UEFA.

Not a bad outcome to a plan borne of the hubris the former G14 excel at.

Lesson to all not to ignore your fans in the UK. This is where grass roots matter and current owners of all Clubs are simply a temporary custodian of that office with that Club.

Just an opinion.
 

schfc6

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The other clubs are run by successful, clever men, but they are men that invest for a return, a very , very big
difference.

I though we were run to boost a Nations PR, a living , amazing advert of how their nation works and is seen to the wider world.

Exactly. By your own logic then, would it not leave room to believe that we were miss sold this or at the very least given an minimal amount time to properly do our homework. Sold a fixed job by people only invested in greed.
 

BlueAnorak

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Please hear me out.

I believe that most on here are doing our owners a grave disservice. Let’s examine the facts, and then draw some conclusions based on the available evidence.

A Super League has been mooted for quite some time. I can find proposals from June 2019 where it was mooted by European clubs. One of the drivers of the proposal at that time was Agnelli (who has now fallen from power) from Juventus. At that time, a Guardian article stated that he wanted to ‘close the financial gap between his club and the premier league clubs’.

So I think it’s safe to conclude that this new proposal built upon that initial shot across the bows.

The next critical piece of evidence is from Tolmie. He has more inside information than any of us on here. He has stated for quite sometime (well before these events) that Ceferin has been an ally of City. In March last year, Ceferin was interviewed on Sky and said City remained a ‘valuable asset‘ for UEFA. I trust Tolmie’s information on our relationship with him.

I also think it’s completely implausible that both Ceferin and our owners were caught off guard by this current proposal. As Tolmie said, our owners know more about politics (particularly of the Machiavellian kind) than any of us will ever know. They would have known well in advance that this was coming.

So who was going to benefit most from this proposal? Certainly our premier league rivals, most of whom are economic basket cases. Also the Spanish/Italian axis. It would have, in one fell swoop, saved them from ongoing financial misery. So was it in our interests for this to go ahead, thereby allowing these hopelessly run businesses to catch up with us? My conclusion would be a resounding no.

Let’s then look carefully at what transpired. City leaked information that they were reluctantly dragged into the agreement. Ceferin is interviewed and urges the Premier League clubs to change their minds. Then there are leaks that two English clubs are waivering. Then City responds to the fans concerns and withdraws from the proposal, and Ceferin issues a statement that he is ‘delighted’ and welcomes City ‘back into the European football family’.

Now look at the fallout. Woodward and Agnelli have gone. The American owners are completely disillusioned. Our European enemies are left clinging at a mirage. We remain on course to continue the development of our long term sustainable business model. The super league is dead in the water. Our enemies in the Premier League will continue to hate us, and remain financial basket cases.

If this was Survivor, we have outwitted, outplayed, and outlasted our European and Premier League enemies.
Pretty much as I see it
 

onceabluealways

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An excellent and well thought out article.
Pity some fans can`t get the gist of this.
Our Owner and his staff would have taken the view "damned if we do, damned if we don`t".
Anyone who thinks City’s owners knew nothing about the ESL until last Thursday are being very Naive, unless our owners decided not to be as professional as they’ve been for the last 10 years
 

nmc

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The ESL collapsed less than 12 hours after we pulled out. To me that proves it was never a viable proposition in the first place. Forget fan power, media criticism and global condemnation; it was only ever an attempt to win concessions from UEFA. Hopefully that bit has failed though the coefficient issue still exists.
The rag, dippers, Arse and Spurs may have to play with the rest of us but they also have the four biggest grounds and largest match day revenue. Not sure about dippers corporate facilities.
Those clubs have less money than they claim they'd get, but they aren't exactly poor. The stadium costs could hurt Spurs and Bingo's toothpaste bill could impact the dippers, but none will really struggle as the ESL was always pie in the sky and they knew it.

The key to this was the number 6 - so long as they stuck together the other 14 PL clubs couldn’t expel them. Once we or Chelsea broke ranks the 4 or 5 left behind could be expelled from the PL (15 clubs have the requisite 75 percent majority) even as a leveraging tool - and that’s why Liverpool and United folded because they faced the prospect of having to negotiate their way back into the PL from a point of relative weakness.
 

onceabluealways

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I don't think our owners misjudged how the fans would take it. This plan put them in a bad position, the current status quo is to our benefit but if Super League got going we would have to be in it or we would become irrelevant.

Unlike Bayern or PSG they would have joined but would have been allowed at a later date, they can wait to see which way the wind blows and join 'reluctantly' later. As English teams were likely to be over represented we didnt have that luxury. Sign up now or forever outside.

If we sign up and it went ahead we were in. If it failed well everyone already hates us so we lose little. But the potential gains of failure should not be over estimated - removing a couple of senior UEFA executives who have previously tried to stop us, to cause PR problems at the established History clubs that the media love and who have actively tried to stop us (as part of the hateful 8 / 9), to reduce the ability of the big 2 spanish clubs to finance transfers. Our owners will have judged these things.

They didn't tell fans, or players, as it would have leaked. For all we know we phoned Cerafin to keep him informed, and to ensure that the snakes were removed - we dont know. By leaving first, with Chelsea (who I think are in a similar position to us with regards to this), we minimise our exposure as much as possible and allow UEFA to see us as the lesser of the evils.

Was this a good thing to do no, but it is totally understandable.
Either Cerafin is an extremely good actor or he didn’t have a clue what was happening
 

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