VAR Discussion Thread - 2023/24 | PL clubs to vote on whether to scrap VAR (pg413)

Would you want VAR scrapped?

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BlueHammer85 said:
Human error will always occur but you're purposely avoiding 'reducing' and making out that VAR hasn't increased the amount of correct verdicts than before. Nothing with rest of your points.
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Statistics to back that up? Reliable, verified statistics? Preferably independent? Interested how many of those more "correct" decisions are offsides that couldn't have been detected on-field. Because I am not sure I would classify them as "correct" in a spirit-of-the-game sort of way ....
 
halfcenturyup said:
Have you got the source for that? I would like to understand the context.
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There's countless examples of lower league teams, managers demanding it.
same for Scotland before it was introduced and many leagues around the world before it got implemented. This even after the ''shambles'' it has been in the PL.
off for a meal but happy to find links when got time.
 
PYGMOL instead of letting VAR do its job decided to use it as a means of being in control, at whatever cost, of the whole match to the point that games and results are manipulated. The audio clearly shows that the VAR officials are not very bright with all the talking over each other and unaware of the protocols after decisions are given. My opinion, for what its worth, is it needs to be one independant VAR working with the onfield ref, this practice of giving the jobs to fellow workmates does not and will not work.
EDIT. Add to that an independant timekeeper.
 
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waspish said:
Apparently the reason for not going for the UEFA auto offside was it be out of date in a few years! More like a company have told them they have a new ofside technology and there is money in it for you if you don't go with the uefa one!

It's always about money
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Yeah, I read somewhere it was because the UEFA and FIFA system was developed with Adidas and the PL uses Nike balls.

Currently, the Adidas balls have to have a chip placed inside them. But the next generation of the tech will not require this so can be used with any ball.

So, yeah, all about the money!
 
Stephen230 said:
Next thrilling instalment of ‘Mic’d Up’ with Howie and little Mikey on Tuesday, to reassure all you doubters that things are working just fine. 7 pm.
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I wonder which "safe" decisions Howard will show after spending 27 minutes apologising to the scousers?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
There's countless examples of lower league teams, managers demanding it.
same for Scotland before it was introduced and many leagues around the world before it got implemented. This even after the ''shambles'' it has been in the PL.
off for a meal but happy to find links when got time.
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Countless...
You’ve been handed your arse on a VAR plate. Again.,
 
It's no more or less bent than the 3 people making split decisions on the pitch. It just takes longer and stops the average fan from enjoying the game. What's not to like?
 
madloaf said:
It's no more or less bent than the 3 people making split decisions on the pitch. It just takes longer and stops the average fan from enjoying the game. What's not to like?
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Yeah but every team wants it. Including the Scottish 2nd division.
Nobody asked the fans but you’re right, it’s absolutely brilliant watching a match and not being able to celebrate properly. What’s not to like?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Human error will always occur but you're purposely avoiding 'reducing' and making out that VAR hasn't increased the amount of correct verdicts than before. Nothing with rest of your points.
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I recently heard some PGMOL stats. Last season 25 goals were correctly allowed/disallowed because of VAR. 25 incidents that VAR put right (that would have been just missed before VAR because we didnt have refs then). So, a referee being called over to the monitor results in what..... A correct decision? No way. According to those VAR stats it does.

Postecoglu recently said it best I think. It just needs rolling back to some degree where we're not examining in minute detail absolutely everything.
 
TinFoilHat said:


Wouldn't surprise me. Foster has got enough money not to give a fuck when suggesting this.
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For Foster to say that was the worst VAR decision ever is complete nonsense and shows the programme is aiming for clicks. There have been at least a dozen decisions highlighted on Bluemoon this week where Livarpool have been the beneficiaries, see klopps and van dick clips on here. The programme seems to aim for supporters of the red tops so anything that goes against them will be highlighted to draw the lemmings in. Mard axse livarpool fans and mard axse club who would have thunk it;-)
 
There was a strange penalty in the Birmingham-West Brom game last night where literally nobody appealed, and even the Birmingham player who'd supposedly been fouled, thought the referee had given a Goal Kick.

Would it have been overruled by VAR?
Possibly, but possibly not, which sort of defeats the whole purpose.
 
Scaring Europe to Death said:
There was a strange penalty in the Birmingham-West Brom game last night where literally nobody appealed, and even the Birmingham player who'd supposedly been fouled, thought the referee had given a Goal Kick.

Would it have been overruled by VAR?
Possibly, but possibly not, which sort of defeats the whole purpose.
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I think VAR might have turned that over. But there again they might not have. Either way PGMOL would say thats VAR intervening and making the right call. Like you say, defeats the whole purpose, why have VAR when they could call it either way.
 
Gorton_Tubster said:


I think VAR might have turned that over. But there again they might not have. Either way PGMOL would say thats VAR intervening and making the right call. Like you say, defeats the whole purpose, why have VAR when they could call it either way.
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Yeah I think most people in favour of VAR initially cherry-picked those clear-and-obvious mistakes, and just assumed (quite correctly) that it would improve the game.
For me, it was the Sane disallowed goal v Liverpool at such a crucial moment in the CL Quarter Final. VAR would have proved that the goal was onside and suddenly it would be 2-0 with 45 minutes remaining, and City completely back in the tie.

I think that naïve optimism lasted until the first time I experienced VAR, which if memory serves me correctly, was City's first goal in the Veltins Arena the following season, and Schalke appealing for a foul by Laporte, even though the ball had gone straight to one of their players.

Nobody had debated or even mentioned the uncertainty for the live audience, whilst the whole issue of clear-and-obvious had suddenly become clouded. However, on at least three occasions, we just stood there totally bewildered waiting for somebody to make a decision.

We were told that these "teething problems" would be addressed, but four years later nothing has changed.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
It just proves some posters don't understand that clubs and leagues that don't have VAR are demanding VAR because officiating is even worse without it.
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Because the lower leagues have crap officials , they need to improve a lot to be prem level , var would probably help them make the most of a shite show . Var in the prem is very different
 
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